From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vserver@list.linux-vserver.org,
Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Suleiman Souhlal <ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org>,
Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>,
Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] pid: Implement task references.
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:13:12 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m14q3l79uv.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060130045153.GC13244@kroah.com> (Greg KH's message of "Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:51:53 -0800")
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> writes:
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 02:58:51PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>> What does the kref abstraction buy? How does it simplify things?
>> We already have equivalent functions in atomic_t on which it is built.
>
> It ensures that you get the logic of the reference counting correctly.
> It forces you to do the logic of the get and put and release properly.
>
> To roughly quote Andrew Morton, "When I see a kref, I know it is used
> properly, otherwise I am forced to read through the code to see if the
> author got the reference counting logic correct."
>
> It costs _nothing_ to use it, and let's everyone know you got the logic
> correct.
>
> So don't feel it is a "abstraction", it's a helper for both the author
> (who doesn't have to get the atomic_t calls correct), and for everyone
> else who has to read the code.
So looking at kref and looking at my code I have a small amount of feedback.
It looks like using kref would increase the size of my code as I would
have to add an additional function. Further I don't see that it would
simplify anything in my code.
The extra debugging checks in krefs are nice, but not something I
am lusting over.
As for code recognition I don't see how recognizing the atomic_t idiom
versus the kref idiom is much different. But I haven't had this issue
come up in a code review so I have no practical experience there.
The biggest issue I can find with kref is the name. kref is not a
reference it is a count. A reference count if you want to be long
about it. Just skimming code using it looks like kref is a pointer to
a generic object that you are getting and putting.
It also doesn't help that current krefs are used in little enough code
that I still find it jarring to see one. One more abstraction to
read. Whereas atomic_t are everywhere, so I am familiar with them.
So those are all of the nits I can pick. :) I don't kref seems to be
a perfectly usable piece of code but not one that seems to help my
code. Unless it becomes a mandate from the code correctness police.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-30 20:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-29 7:19 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Task references Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 7:22 ` [PATCH 1/5] pid: Implement task references Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 7:24 ` [PATCH 2/5] pid: Add macros for interating through tasks by type Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 7:28 ` [PATCH 3/5] pid: Implement kill_tref Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 7:33 ` [PATCH 4/5] vt: Update spawnpid to use a task_ref Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 7:35 ` [PATCH 5/5] file: Modify struct fown_struct to contain a tref Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 8:43 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-29 9:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 10:51 ` [PATCH 4/5] vt: Update spawnpid to use a task_ref Pavel Machek
2006-01-30 20:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 21:05 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-30 21:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 8:46 ` [PATCH 1/5] pid: Implement task references Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-29 19:05 ` Greg KH
2006-01-29 21:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 4:51 ` Greg KH
2006-01-30 5:19 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30 5:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-30 5:46 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30 6:46 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-30 18:43 ` Greg KH
2006-01-30 19:58 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 21:32 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30 21:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 20:13 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-01-31 6:58 ` Greg KH
2006-01-31 16:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29 8:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Task references Kyle Moffett
2006-02-06 8:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 14:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
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