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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vserver@list.linux-vserver.org,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org>,
	Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] pid: Implement task references.
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:04:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1d5i84c5d.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060131065843.GA24733@kroah.com> (Greg KH's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:58:44 -0800")

Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> writes:

> On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 01:13:12PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> What function would you have to add?  A release function?  You should
> have that logic somewhere already, so net gain should be the same.

Yes inline in my if statement all 3 lines of it. Adding a function
makes the code less clear.

>> The extra debugging checks in krefs are nice, but not something I
>> am lusting over.
>
> Heh, but they do catch a lot of improper usages.

Agreed.

>> As for code recognition I don't see how recognizing the atomic_t idiom
>> versus the kref idiom is much different.  But I haven't had this issue
>> come up in a code review so I have no practical experience there.
>
> It's not a different "idiom", but rather, a way to implement the
> reference counting logic without having to code it all by hand, and
> ensure that you get it correct.

Yes a way to implement the reference counting logic that requires more
lines of code to implement and obscures my code in this instance.

> They are used all the time, and there's not that many atomic_t usages in
> the kernel that do reference counting that have not been already
> converted to use kref (the vfs not-withstanding, for other reasons.)

Well either that is all code that is still to be merged in the
mainline or I am looking with a very different filter than you are.

A quick grep for atomic_t in the kernel include files (filtering
out the asm headers where it was defined) I got several screen fulls
of hits.  Things like the network stack, shared process resources are
places I have worked lately and where atomic_t is used, all of the
core bits of the kernel.  My similar grep for kref should barely returned
a screen full of hits.

>> So those are all of the nits I can pick. :)  I don't kref seems to be
>> a perfectly usable piece of code but not one that seems to help my
>> code.  Unless it becomes a mandate from the code correctness police.
>
> As you are adding a new reference count, it is highly encouraged that
> you not reimplement the same logic, but rather use the functions already
> provided in the kernel to do that work for you.  That way you don't have
> to write the extra code, and we don't have to check the logic for you.

If there was something to implement I would agree with you.  In drivers
out at the fringes of the kernel where looking at some of the code submissions
you wonder if the implementors know C I can totally understand anything
to make things less error prone.  But that isn't what this code is.

Given how short my code is and what the effects are I am actually
disappointed that the review only got as far as noticing I was using
an atomic_t.  Oh well.  Thanks for getting that far.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-31 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-29  7:19 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Task references Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29  7:22 ` [PATCH 1/5] pid: Implement task references Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29  7:24   ` [PATCH 2/5] pid: Add macros for interating through tasks by type Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29  7:28     ` [PATCH 3/5] pid: Implement kill_tref Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29  7:33       ` [PATCH 4/5] vt: Update spawnpid to use a task_ref Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29  7:35         ` [PATCH 5/5] file: Modify struct fown_struct to contain a tref Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29  8:43           ` Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-29  9:18             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 10:51         ` [PATCH 4/5] vt: Update spawnpid to use a task_ref Pavel Machek
2006-01-30 20:39           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 21:05             ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-30 21:15               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-29  8:46   ` [PATCH 1/5] pid: Implement task references Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-29 19:05   ` Greg KH
2006-01-29 21:58     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30  4:51       ` Greg KH
2006-01-30  5:19         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30  5:35           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-30  5:46             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30  6:46               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-30 18:43           ` Greg KH
2006-01-30 19:58             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30 20:45               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 21:32                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30 21:51                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-30 20:13         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-31  6:58           ` Greg KH
2006-01-31 16:04             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-01-29  8:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Task references Kyle Moffett
2006-02-06  8:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 14:36   ` Serge E. Hallyn

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