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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 KarimAllah Ahmed <karahmed@amazon.com>
Cc: arjan@linux.intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de, karahmed@amazon.de,
	x86@kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	 pbonzini@redhat.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org,  gregkh@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/8] x86/speculation: Add basic support for IBPB
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 20:04:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1516565047.9814.59.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f9141600-45e4-999a-e997-05eeb56cda29@citrix.com>

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On Sun, 2018-01-21 at 19:37 +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> 
> It doesn't matter if an attacker can use SP1 to try and skip the IBPB.
> 
> Exits to userspace/guest are serialising (with some retroactive updates
> to the architecture spec coming), so an attacker can't cause victim code
> to be executed before speculation has caught up and noticed that the
> IBPB did need to happen.

For the specific case of IBPB, knowing what we do about non-
architectural behaviour, that's probably true.

In the early patch sets in both Xen and Linux, we did have a
conditional branch on {sys,hyper}call entry that blithely let the CPU
speculate all the way to the {sys,hyper}call table jump. No exit to
userspace/guest there.

Which is why I've been saying I want call sites to have an *explicit*
comment saying why they're safe to use conditional branches without
taking extra steps to be safe, like the 'else lfence'. And why I'd
really like the underlying primitives to *support* being fixed at
runtime.

ALTERNATIVE is fine for now, and can end up with basically the same
code as static_cpu_has() — either we do the wrmsr, or we jump/nop over
where it used to be. Let's worry about getting clever with it *later*.

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-21 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-21  9:49 [PATCH v2 0/8] Speculation Control feature support, IBPB David Woodhouse
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] x86/cpufeatures: Add Intel feature bits for Speculation Control David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 10:17   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] x86/cpufeatures: Add AMD feature bits for Prediction Command David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 17:50   ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-21 18:01     ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-22 14:31       ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-22 14:33         ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] x86/msr: Add definitions for new speculation control MSRs David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 13:06   ` Jiri Slaby
2018-01-21 13:27     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] x86/pti: Do not enable PTI on fixed Intel processors David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 13:38   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] x86/speculation: Add basic support for IBPB David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 10:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-21 18:06   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21 18:29     ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 19:01       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21 19:31         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 19:37           ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-21 20:04             ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2018-01-21 20:19               ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-21 21:25                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 19:53           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21 18:54     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 19:04       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21 19:31         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 19:54           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21 20:07             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 20:17               ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] x86/kvm: Add IBPB support David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 18:06   ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] x86/speculation: Use Indirect Branch Prediction Barrier in context switch David Woodhouse
2018-01-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] x86/mm: Only flush indirect branches when switching into non dumpable process David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 10:33   ` Ingo Molnar

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