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From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: State of the new config & build system
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:32:19 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200112312332.fBVNWKBG032643@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:39:02 CDT." <20011228153902.B17774@thyrsus.com>

"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com> said:

[...]

> Which is why there are organized translation groups that do periodic
> translation updates for software that has registered with them.  This
> doesn't eliminate the problem, but it can keep it within manageable bounds
> that make having localizations better than not.  I deal with this regularly
> with respect to fetchmail.

Translations do suck: In Spanish, there are several "dialects" of computer
terms in common use. Get a book written in one of those, and try to make
sense on texts using another convention. Or just try to read the original
English documentation...

To do a good translation you need (a) good understanding of the source
language (enough to be able to work around bugs in the original rendering),
(b) extensive knowledge of the target language, (c) knowledge of the task
at hand. Getting all three together is hard.

Besides, stuff like comments and help messages does suffer bitrot very much
as it doesn't (much) affect functioning, translations are much worse as
they have even less exposure (== even less selective pressure to stay right).

[...]

> No, not always.  I read French, Italian, and Spanish; I can puzzle out
> technical prose in a couple of other languages.  I can read
> fetchmail's .po files and *see* that they don't suck.  

You _know_ what the English text says. To be able to make sense of a text
when you have a rather clear idea what it says is a lot easier than trying
to puzzle it out when you have no clue.

Not to say that the files in fetchmail aren OK (I looked at them myself
(German, Spanish) a while back and found little to patch).
-- 
Horst von Brand                             vonbrand@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl
Casilla 9G, Vin~a del Mar, Chile                               +56 32 672616

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-31 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-28  0:24 Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  0:54 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28  0:57   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  1:15     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:35       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:37         ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:41           ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:47             ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:57               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  2:01                 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 14:14                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 14:16                     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 17:14                     ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:39                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  1:44                         ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  4:09                           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-30  3:34                             ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-30  4:24                               ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 14:37                                 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-29 17:11                           ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:43                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:17                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  9:24                       ` Anton Blanchard
2001-12-29 16:28                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-01  4:03                 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-01-01  8:26                   ` Keith Owens
2002-01-06  8:55                     ` [kbuild-devel] " Martin Mares
2002-01-06 22:19                       ` Keith Owens
2002-01-09 17:16                         ` Martin Mares
2002-01-01  8:55                   ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 22:31               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:02                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 14:24             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:56         ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 21:16           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 22:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:44               ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-30 12:05                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-29  1:27               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  1:53                 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  1:57                   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  2:10                     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  4:06                 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 13:32                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-29 20:23                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29  1:26             ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  3:58               ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29  4:21                 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29  4:44                   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  4:52                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-29 11:10                       ` PORTUGUês EM?? Astinus
2001-12-29  6:59                     ` State of the new config & build system Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29  7:41                     ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29  8:13                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-29  9:40                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 10:46                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-03 20:29                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 20:35                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 20:46                                 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 21:30                                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 21:50                                     ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 22:11                                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 22:44                                         ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04  1:49                                       ` Andreas Bombe
2002-01-04  2:31                                         ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 21:40                                           ` Andreas Bombe
2001-12-29  7:42                     ` Miles Lane
2001-12-29  8:02                       ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29  8:11                         ` Mike Castle
2001-12-28 22:51           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  2:54             ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 12:43               ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28  1:22     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28  1:36       ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-28  1:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  1:38       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:30   ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28  9:26   ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28  9:42     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 16:34       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:01       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  0:50         ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  0:55           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 20:38       ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-28 18:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 18:24       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 22:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:08           ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:29             ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 22:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:58               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29  9:18                 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-12-31 22:51         ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 22:55           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-01  1:21             ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 19:08       ` Riley Williams
2001-12-28 19:12       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 20:26         ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-28 20:39           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 13:58             ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-30 17:50               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-30 20:53                 ` Hartmut Holz
2001-12-30 20:15               ` Adrian Bunk
2002-01-01  4:29               ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 23:32             ` Horst von Brand [this message]
2001-12-28 23:20           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 11:42             ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Henningsen
2001-12-31  8:24             ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-31  6:50           ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-28 22:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:31           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 21:24             ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-29 22:43               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 23:12                 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30  0:22                 ` Russell King
2001-12-30  0:11                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30  5:39                 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-30 13:59                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 17:14             ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-30 17:32               ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 17:44               ` Russell King
2001-12-28 20:39       ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:41       ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 21:19           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 21:12             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:05                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29  0:59                   ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 19:12                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29  3:21                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 23:13           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 23:04             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 23:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:12               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-29 13:01               ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-28 22:47       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:25 Stewart Smith
2001-12-29 12:01 Wayne.Brown

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