From: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
To: Legacy Fishtank <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>,
"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: State of the new config & build system
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:42:44 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2705.1009532564@ocs3.intra.ocs.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:26:48 CDT." <20011228042648.A7943@havoc.gtf.org>
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:26:48 -0500,
Legacy Fishtank <garzik@havoc.gtf.org> wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 01:54:42AM +0100, Dave Jones wrote:
>> How far down the list was "make it not take twice as long
>> to build the kernel as kbuild 2.4" ? Keith mentioned O(n^2)
>> effects due to each compile operation needing to reload
>> the dependancies etc.
>
>Each compile needs to reload deps???
>
>Ug. IMHO if you are doing to shake up the entire build system, you
>should Do It Right(tm) and build a -complete- dependency graph -once-.
We have one complete dependency graph for the explicit dependencies.
What is slow is extracting the implicit dependencies after an object
has been compiled, i.e. the files that it includes. Actually
extracting the implicit dependencies is fast, converting them to
standard names is fast, what is slow is _reading_ the big list that
maps from absolute names to standardized names.
I need the big list in order to remove absolute names in the dependency
trees. kbuild 2.4 forces a complete recompile if you rename a tree,
including if you build on one system then try to install via NFS on a
second system. kbuild 2.5 can cope with trees being renamed and trees
having different names on local and NFS mounted systems. That
flexibility comes at a cost.
"All" I need to do is have one server process that reads the big list
once and the other client processes talk to the server. Much less data
involved means faster conversion from absolute to standardized names.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-12-28 9:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-12-28 0:24 Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 0:54 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28 0:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 1:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:35 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:37 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:41 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:47 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 2:01 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 14:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 14:16 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 17:14 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:39 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 1:44 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 4:09 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-30 3:34 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-30 4:24 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 14:37 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-29 17:11 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:17 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:54 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 9:24 ` Anton Blanchard
2001-12-29 16:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-01 4:03 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-01-01 8:26 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-06 8:55 ` [kbuild-devel] " Martin Mares
2002-01-06 22:19 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-09 17:16 ` Martin Mares
2002-01-01 8:55 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 22:31 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 14:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:56 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 21:16 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:44 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-30 12:05 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-29 1:27 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 1:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 1:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 2:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 4:06 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-29 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29 1:26 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 3:58 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 4:21 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29 4:44 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 4:52 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-29 11:10 ` PORTUGUês EM?? Astinus
2001-12-29 6:59 ` State of the new config & build system Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29 7:41 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 8:13 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-29 9:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 10:46 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-03 20:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 20:35 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 20:46 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 21:30 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 21:50 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 22:11 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 22:44 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 1:49 ` Andreas Bombe
2002-01-04 2:31 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 21:40 ` Andreas Bombe
2001-12-29 7:42 ` Miles Lane
2001-12-29 8:02 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29 8:11 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-28 22:51 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 2:54 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 12:43 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 1:22 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28 1:36 ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-28 1:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 1:38 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:30 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 9:26 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 9:42 ` Keith Owens [this message]
2001-12-28 16:34 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:01 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 0:50 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 0:55 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 20:38 ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-28 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 18:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 22:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:08 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:29 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 22:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 9:18 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-12-31 22:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 22:55 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-01 1:21 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 19:08 ` Riley Williams
2001-12-28 19:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-28 20:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 13:58 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-30 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-30 20:53 ` Hartmut Holz
2001-12-30 20:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-01-01 4:29 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 23:32 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-28 23:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 11:42 ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Henningsen
2001-12-31 8:24 ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-31 6:50 ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-28 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 21:24 ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-29 22:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 23:12 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 0:22 ` Russell King
2001-12-30 0:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 5:39 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-30 13:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 17:14 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-30 17:32 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 17:44 ` Russell King
2001-12-28 20:39 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:41 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 21:19 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 21:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:05 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29 0:59 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29 3:21 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 23:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 23:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 23:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:12 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-29 13:01 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-28 22:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:25 Stewart Smith
2001-12-29 12:01 Wayne.Brown
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