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From: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
	Legacy Fishtank <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>,
	"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: State of the new config & build system
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:21:13 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8822.1009596073@ocs3.intra.ocs.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:27:37 -0800." <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112281417410.23445-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:27:37 -0800 (PST), 
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com> wrote:
>Note that I do _not_ want to mess up source files with magic comments. I
>absolutely detest those. They only detract from the real job of coding,
>and do not make anybody happier.
>
>We have a hierarchical filesystem. Most drivers already have
>
>	driver.c
>	driver.h
>
>(in fact _very_ few drivers are single-file) and some have a subdirectory
>of their own. So why not just have
>
>	driver.conf
>
>and be done with it. No point in messing up the C file with stuff that
>doesn't add any information to either the programmer _or_ the compiler.

I would love to do that, with each driver/filesystem/... having an
associated control file that defined its config options, its help and
who to make it.  That is, an "Insert New Facility" file, we could call
them driver.inf (ducks and runs ;).

There is one big problem in the way, makefile order controls link order
which controls init order.  I have no problem with the link order
controlling init order, that is far better than the old Space.c code.
I intensely dislike makefile order controlling link order, it results
in loss of information, we have makefiles in a specific order with no
idea about whether that order is required or is just accidental.

IMHO the link order should be divorced from makefile order and made
explicit.  Then you could have makefile fragments associated with each
driver.  But the last time I tried to break the dependency between make
and link order, Linus shot me down in flames[1], so I have no intention
of going there again.  As long as you have monolithic makefiles,
drivers.conf is going to be problematic.

[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=97301359812683&w=2


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-29  3:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-28  0:24 Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  0:54 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28  0:57   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  1:15     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:35       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:37         ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:41           ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:47             ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  1:57               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  2:01                 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 14:14                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 14:16                     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 17:14                     ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:39                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  1:44                         ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  4:09                           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-30  3:34                             ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-30  4:24                               ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 14:37                                 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-29 17:11                           ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:43                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:17                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  9:24                       ` Anton Blanchard
2001-12-29 16:28                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-01  4:03                 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-01-01  8:26                   ` Keith Owens
2002-01-06  8:55                     ` [kbuild-devel] " Martin Mares
2002-01-06 22:19                       ` Keith Owens
2002-01-09 17:16                         ` Martin Mares
2002-01-01  8:55                   ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 22:31               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:02                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 14:24             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:56         ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 21:16           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 22:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:44               ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-30 12:05                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-29  1:27               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  1:53                 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  1:57                   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  2:10                     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29  4:06                 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 13:32                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-29 20:23                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29  1:26             ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  3:58               ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29  4:21                 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29  4:44                   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  4:52                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-29 11:10                       ` PORTUGUês EM?? Astinus
2001-12-29  6:59                     ` State of the new config & build system Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29  7:41                     ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29  8:13                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-29  9:40                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 10:46                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-03 20:29                             ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 20:35                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 20:46                                 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 21:30                                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 21:50                                     ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 22:11                                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 22:44                                         ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04  1:49                                       ` Andreas Bombe
2002-01-04  2:31                                         ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 21:40                                           ` Andreas Bombe
2001-12-29  7:42                     ` Miles Lane
2001-12-29  8:02                       ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29  8:11                         ` Mike Castle
2001-12-28 22:51           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  2:54             ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 12:43               ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28  1:22     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28  1:36       ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-28  1:36         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28  1:38       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28  1:30   ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28  9:26   ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28  9:42     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 16:34       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:01       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29  0:50         ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29  0:55           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 20:38       ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-28 18:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 18:24       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 22:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:08           ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:29             ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 22:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:58               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29  9:18                 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-12-31 22:51         ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 22:55           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-01  1:21             ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 19:08       ` Riley Williams
2001-12-28 19:12       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 20:26         ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-28 20:39           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 13:58             ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-30 17:50               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-30 20:53                 ` Hartmut Holz
2001-12-30 20:15               ` Adrian Bunk
2002-01-01  4:29               ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 23:32             ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-28 23:20           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 11:42             ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Henningsen
2001-12-31  8:24             ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-31  6:50           ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-28 22:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:31           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 21:24             ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-29 22:43               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 23:12                 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30  0:22                 ` Russell King
2001-12-30  0:11                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30  5:39                 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-30 13:59                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 17:14             ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-30 17:32               ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 17:44               ` Russell King
2001-12-28 20:39       ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:41       ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 21:19           ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 21:12             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:05                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29  0:59                   ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 19:12                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29  3:21                 ` Keith Owens [this message]
2001-12-28 23:13           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 23:04             ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 23:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:12               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-29 13:01               ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-28 22:47       ` Martin Dalecki

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