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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: 64bit clean drivers was Re: Linux 2.4.20-pre1
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:41:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020807124153.A8592@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1028721043.18478.265.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>

On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 12:50:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 11:01, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > Can you explain this further. How else do you propose to get rid of 
> > unmaintained-and-absolutely-hopeless-on-64bit drivers in the configuration? 
> > I definitely do not want to get bug reports about these not working on x86-64.
> 
> I don't want a tree where every driver has seventeen lines of if IBM and
> not 64bit || parisc || x86 || !x86_64 || ia64) && (!wednesdayafternoon)
> 
> Its *unmaintainable*.

I don't see why it is unmaintainable. What is so bad with these ifs? 
64bit cleanness is just another dependency, nothing magic and fundamentally
hard.

I admit it is a bit ugly to hardcode CONFIG_X86_64 here, I would actually
prefer an generic CONFIG_64BIT

At least for i386 it should make no difference at all.

If you object to the ifdefs I can turn it into 
dep_tristate  ... $CONFIG_X86_32 (or CONFIG_I386 and add this)

(unfortunately there is no dep_tristate ... !$CONFIG_64BIT) 
Alternatively CONFIG_NO_64BIT to work around this issue.

> 
> The sparc64 people don't do it, the mips people don't do it, the ia64
> people don't do it, wtf should you get to fill config.in with crap

The main reason I'm doing this is that unlike IA64,alpha,mips (sorry no
offense to these ports) x86-64 is aimed at the mass market. I will
not invoke the A..T... word, but having a configuration where a good
chunk of the drivers do not work is just not acceptable for x86-64 where
even non kernel hackers will likely recompile the kernels. I tried
to fix it for some of the drivers but some are obviously hopeless without
major work.

> The _ISA stuff makes sense, thats sensible, but the rest - when people
> moan we tell em to fix the drivers.

I don't think it is very nice. Some of these actually compile, just with
thousands of warnings, but will oops very quickly likely after first load.
I prefer to disable them. That is much nicer to the user.


-Andi


  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-07 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200208062329.g76NTqP30962@devserv.devel.redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-08-07 10:01 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:50   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 10:41     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2002-08-07 12:16       ` 64bit clean drivers was " Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:04         ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:10           ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:18             ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 11:51               ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 11:56                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-07 13:26                   ` Alan Cox
2002-08-07 16:28                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-08 15:14         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-08 16:49           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-08 16:47             ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09  4:15               ` [patch] config language dep_* enhancements Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 14:43                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-09 15:38                   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-08-12 10:38                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-09 16:10                   ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-12 11:04                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-12 14:46                       ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-12 19:45                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 21:40                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2002-08-12 22:13                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 22:15                               ` Tom Rini
2002-08-12 22:32                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 22:47                                   ` Tom Rini
2002-08-12 23:17                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-12 23:32                                       ` Tom Rini
2002-08-13  3:35                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13  0:03                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  7:54                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-13  3:33                           ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13  9:32                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-13 10:32                               ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
     [not found]                         ` <3D587483.1C459694@alphalink.com.au>
2002-08-13  3:39                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  4:31                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13 14:00                             ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-13 15:53                               ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13 18:48                                 ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  1:13                                 ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  3:28                                   ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  4:35                                     ` [patch] kernel config 3/N - move sound into drivers/media Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  5:08                                       ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  5:49                                         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14 10:56                                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 12:20                                             ` S390 vs S390x, was " Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 17:21                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 18:16                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 21:18                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14 19:22                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-14 22:52                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-08-14  6:14                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  6:31                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  8:16                                       ` Russell King
2002-08-14  6:01                                     ` [kbuild-devel] Re: [patch] config language dep_* enhancements Greg Banks
2002-08-14  8:18                                       ` Russell King
2002-08-14 14:22                                       ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  1:28                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-15  2:33                                           ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  3:27                                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-13 18:43                           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-13 20:48                             ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  1:27                               ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  1:42                                 ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  2:27                                   ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  2:57                                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  4:39                                     ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-14  5:35                                       ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14 11:40                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-15  1:52                                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-15  3:30                                   ` John Alvord
2002-08-16  2:24                                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15  9:46                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-15 14:43                                     ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-15 20:12                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-16  2:08                                     ` Greg Banks
2002-08-16 10:54                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-19  9:27                                         ` Greg Banks
2002-08-19 10:20                                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-20 14:10                                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-20 17:51                                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-19 20:30                                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-20 14:28                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-08-23 15:18                                           ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-08-23 23:03                                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-24 12:43                                               ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14  1:19                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-12 15:47                       ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-13  3:23                         ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-13 16:04                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-13 16:20                             ` [kbuild-devel] " Peter Samuelson
2002-08-14  0:22                             ` Greg Banks
2002-08-14 20:14                               ` Get rid of shell based Config.in parsers? Sam Ravnborg
2002-08-14 22:21                                 ` [kbuild-devel] " Peter Samuelson
2002-08-15 17:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-08 23:57             ` 64bit clean drivers was Re: Linux 2.4.20-pre1 Thunder from the hill
2002-08-08 19:23           ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-08 20:03             ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-08 20:19               ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-08 17:42                 ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 10:21                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-09 11:47                     ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 12:07                       ` Russell King
2002-08-09 12:49                         ` Peter Samuelson
2002-08-09 14:53                           ` [kbuild-devel] " Greg Banks
2002-08-09 22:37                             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-08-08 20:37                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-08-08 20:51                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-08-07 17:31       ` Thunder from the hill

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