From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>,
Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: If not readdir() then what?
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:33:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070411233326.GD4893@lazybastard.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461D6DE9.9070601@zytor.com>
On Wed, 11 April 2007 16:23:21 -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> David Lang wrote:
> >On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Neil Brown wrote:
> >
> >>For the second.
> >> You say that you " would need at least 96 bits in order to make that
> >> guarantee; 64 bits of hash, plus a 32-bit count value in the hash
> >> collision chain". I think 96 is a bit greedy. Surely 48 bits of
> >> hash and 16 bits of collision-chain-position would plenty. You would
> >> need 65537 entries before a collision was even possible, and
> >> billions before it was at all likely. (How big does a set of 48bit
> >> numbers have to get before the probability that "No subset of 65536
> >> numbers are all the same" drops below 0.95?)
> >
> > you can get a hash collision with two entries.
>
> Yes, but the probability is 2^-n for an n-bit hash, assuming it's
> uniformly distributed.
>
> The probability approaches 1/2 as the number of entries hashes
> approaches 2^(n/2) (birthday number.)
I believe you are both barking up the wrong tree. Neil proposed a 16bit
collision chain. With that, it takes 65537 entries before a collision
chain overflow is possible.
Calling a collision chain overflow "collision" is inviting confusion, of
course. :)
Jörn
--
The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of
his own skull; therefore he approaches the programming task in full
humility, and among other things he avoids clever tricks like the plague.
-- Edsger W. Dijkstra
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-11 23:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-07 16:57 Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-07 20:36 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-07 23:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-08 18:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 18:41 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-08 19:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-08 19:26 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-08 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 19:40 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-09 1:44 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09 11:09 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-09 12:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 12:31 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 13:19 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09 14:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 16:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-09 17:00 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 13:56 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-10 14:10 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-10 15:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 16:42 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-10 14:37 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 15:54 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-10 16:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 16:25 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-10 21:12 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 21:43 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:18 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 21:37 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:57 ` Bob Copeland
2007-04-10 21:59 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 22:33 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 0:22 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-11 1:45 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-10 21:46 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-10 21:26 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-09 12:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-04-10 21:15 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 13:57 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-11 14:42 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-11 22:32 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 22:06 ` David Lang
2007-04-11 23:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-11 23:33 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2007-04-12 0:00 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 23:22 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-12 1:46 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-12 2:37 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-12 5:57 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-12 9:33 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-12 12:21 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-12 17:18 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-12 17:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-16 3:05 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 5:47 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-16 10:39 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 6:18 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-16 11:07 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 23:24 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-08 18:47 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-08 19:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 18:50 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-07 23:44 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-08 20:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
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