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From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: If not readdir() then what?
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:37:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070412023712.GA8175@lazybastard.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17949.36737.701327.104172@notabene.brown>

On Thu, 12 April 2007 11:46:41 +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> 
> I could argue that nfs came before ext3+dirindex, so ext3 should have
> been designed to work properly with NFS.  You could argue that fixing
> it in nfsd fixes it for all filesystems.  But I'm not sure either of
> those arguments are likely to be at all convincing...

Caring about a non-ext3 filesystem, I sure would like an nfs solution as
well. :)

> Hmmm. I wonder.  Which is more likely?
>   - That two 64bit hashes from some set are the same
>   - or that 65536 48bit hashes from a set of equal size are the same.

The former.  Each bit going from hash strength to collision chain length
reduces the likelihood of an overflow.  In the extreme case of a 0bit
hash and 64bit collision chain, you need 2^64 entries compared to 2^32
for the other extreme.

However, the collision chain gives me quite a bit of headache.  One
would have to store each entry's position on the chain, deal with older
entries getting deleted, newer entries getting removed, etc.  All this
requires a lot of complicated code that basically never gets tested in
the wild.

Just settling for a 64bit hash and returning -EEXIST when someone causes
a collision an creat() sounds more appealing.  Directories with 4
billion entries will cause problems, but that is hardly news to anyone.

Jörn

-- 
Fantasy is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited,
while fantasy embraces the whole world.
-- Albert Einstein

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-12  2:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-07 16:57 Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-07 20:36 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-07 23:30   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-08 18:11     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 18:41       ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-08 19:19         ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-08 19:26           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-08 19:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 19:40             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-09  1:44             ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09 11:09               ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-09 12:29                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 12:31                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 13:19                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09 14:03                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-09 16:34                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-09 17:00                         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 13:56                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-10 14:10                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-10 15:48                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 16:42                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-10 14:37                         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 15:54                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-10 16:18                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 16:25                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-10 21:12                           ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:16                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-10 21:43                               ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:18                             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 21:37                               ` Neil Brown
2007-04-10 21:57                                 ` Bob Copeland
2007-04-10 21:59                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-10 22:33                                   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11  0:22                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-04-11  1:45                                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-10 21:46                             ` Alan Cox
2007-04-10 21:26                     ` Neil Brown
2007-04-09 12:46                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-04-10 21:15         ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 13:57           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-11 14:42           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-11 22:32             ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 22:06               ` David Lang
2007-04-11 23:23                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-11 23:33                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-12  0:00                 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-11 23:22               ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-12  1:46                 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-12  2:37                   ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2007-04-12  5:57                     ` Neil Brown
2007-04-12  9:33                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-12 12:21                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-12 17:18                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-12 17:35                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-16  3:05                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16  5:47                               ` Neil Brown
2007-04-16 10:39                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16  6:18                         ` Neil Brown
2007-04-16 11:07                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 23:24                             ` Neil Brown
2007-04-08 18:47       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-08 19:13         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-08 18:50     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-07 23:44   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-08 20:36   ` J. Bruce Fields

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