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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, arnd@arndb.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] first callers of process_deny_checkpoint()
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:57:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200810110057.04204.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081010195339.GA509@elte.hu>

On Friday, 10 of October 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
> 
> > > > Surely not ACPI-compliant.
> > > 
> > > what do you mean?
> > 
> > The ACPI spec says quite specifically what should be done while 
> > entering hibernation and during resume from hibernation.  We're not 
> > following that in the current code, but we can (gradually) update the 
> > code to become ACPI-compilant in that respect.  However, if we go the 
> > checkpointing route, I don't think that will be possible any more.
> 
> ah, i see. I did not mean to utilize any ACPI paths but simple powerdown 
> or reboot.
> 
> If we checkpoint all apps to persistent disk areas (which the checkpoint 
> patches in this thread are about), then we can just reboot the kernel 
> and forget all its state.
> 
> That capability can be used to build a really robust hibernation 
> implementation IMO: we could "hibernate/kexec" over between different 
> kernel versions transparently. (only a small delay will be noticed by 
> the user - if we do it smartly with in-kernel modesetting then not even 
> the screen contents will be changed over this.)

That actually should be called a migration of VM IMO and would be a useful
functionality.  Sure.

Hibernation, however, generally involves the restoration of the hardware and
most importantly _platform_ state which IMO is impossible without the ACPI
functionality, as well as wake-up, which may depend on ACPI too.

Thanks,
Rafael

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-10 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 19:04 [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Dave Hansen
2008-10-09 19:04 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] first callers of process_deny_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2008-10-09 19:43   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-09 20:54     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-10  8:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 13:17         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-10 14:54           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 19:53             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-10 19:53               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 20:40                 ` Len Brown
2008-10-10 22:57                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2008-10-11 13:48         ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-11 15:00           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 10:27       ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-10  8:41   ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-10 10:17   ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-10 14:04     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-10 16:45       ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 17:13         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-10 17:28         ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-13  8:20           ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10  8:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Greg Kurz
2008-10-10  8:37   ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-10  8:47     ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 10:11     ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-10 14:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 15:17       ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-10 15:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 16:34         ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 16:36           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-10 20:57             ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-10 17:18           ` Chris Friesen
2008-10-13  8:18             ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-13 16:46               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-10 16:33     ` Dave Hansen

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