From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, arnd@arndb.de,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] first callers of process_deny_checkpoint()
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:48:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081011134803.GA1483@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081010084614.GA319@elte.hu>
Hi!
> > > Hmm, I don't know too much about aio, but is it possible to succeed with
> > > io_getevents if we didn't first do a submit? It looks like the contexts
> > > are looked up out of current->mm, so I don't think we need this call
> > > here.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, this is neat.
> >
> > Good question. I know nothing, either. :)
> >
> > My thought was that any process *trying* to do aio stuff of any kind
> > is going to be really confused if it gets checkpointed. Or, it might
> > try to submit an aio right after it checks the list of them. I
> > thought it best to be cautious and say, if you screw with aio, no
> > checkpointing for you!
>
> as long as there's total transparency and the transition from CR-capable
> to CR-disabled state is absolutely safe and race-free, that should be
> fine.
>
> I expect users to quickly cause enough pressure to reduce the NOCR areas
> of the kernel significantly ;-)
>
> In the long run, could we expect a (experimental) version of hibernation
> that would just use this checkpointing facility to hibernate? That would
> be way cool for users and for testing: we could do transparent kernel
> upgrades/downgrades via this form of hibernation, between CR-compatible
> kernels (!).
Well, if we could do that, I guess we could also use CR to 'hibernate'
your desktop then continue on your notebook. And yes that sounds cool.
> Pie in the sky for sure, but way cool: it could propel Linux kernel
> testing to completely new areas - new kernels could be tried
> non-intrusively. (as long as a new kernel does not corrupt the CR data
> structures - so some good consistency and redundancy checking would be
> nice in the format!)
Well, for simple apps, it should not be that hard...
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-11 14:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-09 19:04 [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Dave Hansen
2008-10-09 19:04 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] first callers of process_deny_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2008-10-09 19:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-09 20:54 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-10 8:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 13:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-10 14:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 19:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-10 19:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 20:40 ` Len Brown
2008-10-10 22:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-11 13:48 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-10-11 15:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 10:27 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-10 8:41 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-10 10:17 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-10 14:04 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-10 16:45 ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 17:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-10 17:28 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-13 8:20 ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 8:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 8:37 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-10 8:47 ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 10:11 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-10 14:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 15:17 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-10 15:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 16:34 ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-10 16:36 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-10 20:57 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-10 17:18 ` Chris Friesen
2008-10-13 8:18 ` Greg Kurz
2008-10-13 16:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-10 16:33 ` Dave Hansen
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