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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:07:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091128020739.GA18149@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091123145409.GA29627@wotan.suse.de>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:54:09PM +0100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Last time this issue came up that I could see, I don't think
> there were objections to making rwlocks fair, the main
> difficulty seemed to be that we allow reentrant read locks
> (so a write lock waiting must not block arbitrary read lockers).
> 
> Nowadays our rwlock usage is smaller although still quite a
> few, so it would make better sense to do a conversion by
> introducing a new lock type and move them over I guess.
> 
> Anyway, I would like to add some kind of fairness or at least
> anti starvation for writers. We have a customer seeing total
> livelock on tasklist_lock for write locking on a system as small
> as 8 core Opteron.
> 
> This was basically reproduced by several cores executing wait
> with WNOHANG.
> 
> Of course it would always be nice to improve locking so
> contention isn't an issue, but so long as we have rwlocks, we
> could possibly get into a situation where starvation is
> triggered *somehow*. So I'd really like to fix this.
> 
> This particular starvation on tasklist lock I guess is a local
> DoS vulnerability even if the workload is not particularly
> realistic.
> 
> Anyway, I don't have a patch yet. I'm sure it can be done
> without extra atomics in fastpaths. Comments?

The usual trick would be to keep per-fair-rwlock state in per-CPU
variables.  If it is forbidden to read-acquire one nestable fair rwlock
while read-holding another, then this per-CPU state can be a single
pointer and a nesting count.  On the other hand, if it is permitted to
read-acquire one nestable fair rwlock while holding another, then one
can use a small per-CPU array of pointer/count pairs.

Readers check the per-CPU state.  If they already read-hold the lock,
they increment the nesting count, otherwise, they contend directly for
the lock (and set up the per-CPU state).

Same number of atomics on the fastpath as the current implementation.
Too bad about those array access, though!  ;-)

(Though on modern hardware, the array accesses might be a non-event,
performance-wise.)

Hey, you asked!!!  And there are other ways to make this work, including
variations on brlock.

							Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-28  2:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-23 14:54 Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25  6:52   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25  8:49   ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25  8:56     ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25  6:54   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25  8:48     ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28  2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-11-28 11:15   ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30  7:57     ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30  7:55   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40       ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17           ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13               ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 17:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 18:29                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30 21:12         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37                     ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06  3:12                     ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08  1:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08  2:11                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08  2:37                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10  3:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10  6:22                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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