From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:13:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091130171333.GG21639@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911300852410.2872@localhost.localdomain>
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 09:05:57AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > My suggestion would be to put the nesting counter in the task structure
> > to avoid this problem.
>
> It still doesn't end up being all that cheap. Now you'd need to disable
> preemption in order to fix the race between the local counter and the real
> lock.
>
> That should be cheaper than cli/sti, but the downside is that now you need
> that task struct pointer (both for the preemption disable and the
> counter), so now you're adding some register pressure too. Of course,
> maybe you don't even want to inline it anyway, in which case that doesn't
> matter.
>
> One advantage with your suggestion of using preemption is that (unlike irq
> disables) you can keep the preemt counter over the whole lock, so you
> don't need to re-do the preempt disable/enable in both read-lock and
> read-unlock.
>
> So you might end up with something like (UNTESTED!):
>
> static void tasklist_write_lock(void)
> {
> spin_lock_irq(&tasklist_lock);
> }
>
> static void tasklist_write_unlock(void)
> {
> spin_unlock_irq(&tasklist_lock);
> }
Two questions. Firstly, does tasklist_lock benefit much from read
side paralellism? Looking at some of the critical sections some seem
to hold it for quite a while (over task and thread iterations). So
it might not be the right thing to convert it to a spinlock?
Secondly:
> static void tasklist_read_lock(void)
> {
> preempt_disable();
> if (!current->tasklist_count++)
What happens if an interrupt and nested tasklist_read_lock() happens
here?
> spin_lock(&tasklist_lock);
> }
>
> static void tasklist_read_unlock(void)
> {
> if (!--current->tasklist_count)
> spin_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
> preempt_enable();
> }
>
> And the upside, of course, is that a spin_unlock() is cheaper than a
> read_unlock() (no serializing atomic op), so while there is overhead,
> there are also some advantages.. Maybe that atomic op advantage is enough
> to offset the extra instructions.
>
> And maybe we could use 'raw_spin_[un]lock()' in the above read-[un]lock
> sequences, since tasklist_lock is pretty special, and since we do the
> preempt disable by hand (no need to do it again in the spinlock code).
> That looks like it might cut down the overhead of all of the above to
> almost nothing for what is probably the common case today (ie preemption
> enabled).
>
> Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-30 17:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-23 14:54 Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25 6:52 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 8:56 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 6:54 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:48 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28 2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 11:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 7:55 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-11-30 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 18:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30 21:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37 ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06 3:12 ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 1:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08 2:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 2:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 3:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 6:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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