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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:13:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091130171333.GG21639@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911300852410.2872@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 09:05:57AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > 
> > My suggestion would be to put the nesting counter in the task structure
> > to avoid this problem.
> 
> It still doesn't end up being all that cheap. Now you'd need to disable 
> preemption in order to fix the race between the local counter and the real 
> lock.
> 
> That should be cheaper than cli/sti, but the downside is that now you need 
> that task struct pointer (both for the preemption disable and the 
> counter), so now you're adding some register pressure too. Of course, 
> maybe you don't even want to inline it anyway, in which case that doesn't 
> matter.
> 
> One advantage with your suggestion of using preemption is that (unlike irq 
> disables) you can keep the preemt counter over the whole lock, so you 
> don't need to re-do the preempt disable/enable in both read-lock and 
> read-unlock.
> 
> So you might end up with something like (UNTESTED!):
> 
> 	static void tasklist_write_lock(void)
> 	{
> 		spin_lock_irq(&tasklist_lock);
> 	}
> 
> 	static void tasklist_write_unlock(void)
> 	{
> 		spin_unlock_irq(&tasklist_lock);
> 	}

Two questions. Firstly, does tasklist_lock benefit much from read
side paralellism? Looking at some of the critical sections some seem
to hold it for quite a while (over task and thread iterations). So
it might not be the right thing to convert it to a spinlock?

Secondly:

> 	static void tasklist_read_lock(void)
> 	{
> 		preempt_disable();
> 		if (!current->tasklist_count++)

What happens if an interrupt and nested tasklist_read_lock() happens
here?

> 			spin_lock(&tasklist_lock);
> 	}
> 
> 	static void tasklist_read_unlock(void)
> 	{
> 		if (!--current->tasklist_count)
> 			spin_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
> 		preempt_enable();
> 	}
> 
> And the upside, of course, is that a spin_unlock() is cheaper than a 
> read_unlock() (no serializing atomic op), so while there is overhead, 
> there are also some advantages.. Maybe that atomic op advantage is enough 
> to offset the extra instructions.
> 
> And maybe we could use 'raw_spin_[un]lock()' in the above read-[un]lock 
> sequences, since tasklist_lock is pretty special, and since we do the 
> preempt disable by hand (no need to do it again in the spinlock code). 
> That looks like it might cut down the overhead of all of the above to 
> almost nothing for what is probably the common case today (ie preemption 
> enabled).
> 
> 			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-30 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-23 14:54 Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25  6:52   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25  8:49   ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25  8:56     ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25  6:54   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25  8:48     ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28  2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 11:15   ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30  7:57     ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30  7:55   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40       ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17           ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13               ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-11-30 17:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 18:29                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30 21:12         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37                     ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06  3:12                     ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08  1:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08  2:11                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08  2:37                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10  3:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10  6:22                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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