From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:41:36 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091210164136.GA6756@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1my1rnmr8.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:31:39AM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>
> > My main concern would be "fork storms", where each CPU in a large
> > system is spawning children in a pgrp that some other CPU is attempting
> > to kill. The CPUs spawning children might be able to keep ahead of
> > the single CPU, so that the pgrp never is completely killed.
> >
> > Enlisting the aid of the CPUs doing the spawning (e.g., by having them
> > consult a list of signals being sent) prevents this fork-storm scenario.
>
> We almost have a worst case bound. We can have at most max_thread
> processes. Unfortunately it appears we don't force an rcu grace
> period anywhere. So It does appear theoretically possible to fork and
> exit on a bunch of other cpus infinitely extending the rcu interval.
The RCU grace period will still complete in a timely fashion, at least
assuming that each RCU read-side critical section completes in a timely
fashion. The old Classic implememntations need only a context switch on
each CPU (which should happen at some point upon return to user space,
and the counter-based implementations (SRCU and preemptible RCU) use
pairs of counters to avoid waiting on new RCU read-side critical sections.
Either way, the RCU grace period waits only for the RCU read-side
critical sections that started before it did, not for any later RCU
read-side critical sections.
> Still that is all inside the tasklist_lock, which serializes all of those
> other cpus. So as long as the cost of queuing signals is less than the
> cost of adding processes to the task lists we won't have a problem.
Agreed, as long as we continue to serialize task creation, we should be OK.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-10 16:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-23 14:54 Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25 6:52 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 8:56 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 6:54 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:48 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28 2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 11:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 7:55 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 18:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30 21:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37 ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06 3:12 ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 1:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08 2:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 2:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 3:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 6:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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