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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:15:05 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912010908590.2872@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200912011803.24664.arnd@arndb.de>



On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 30 November 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > The best option really would be to try to make it all use RCU, rather than 
> > paper over things. That really should improve performance.
> 
> Are there any writers at interrupt time?

No, there can't be. That would already be a deadlock, since we take the 
read lock without irq protection (exactly because many of the read-lockers 
are pretty performance-sensitive).

> If not, another option might be to first convert all the readers that 
> can happen from interrupts to RCU, which lets us get rid of the irq 
> disable in the write path.

If you convert the irq readers, you generally really need to convert the 
rest too. In particular, you still need to convert the write-side to use 
the RCU versions of the insert/remove code, and to free the things from 
RCU in order for it all to be safe (think: irq reader on another CPU than 
the writer, now without any locking).

So you really don't win all that much. At a minimum, you always have to 
convert all the writers to use RCU (even if you then keep the rwlock as 
the exclusion model), and since that involves a large portion of the 
complexity (including at least the RCU freeing side), what you end up with 
is that you can avoid converting _some_ of the readers.

So I do agree that you can do things in two stages, but I suspect the irq 
disable on the write path part is the least of our problems.

				Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-01 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-23 14:54 Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25  6:52   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25  8:49   ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25  8:56     ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25  6:54   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25  8:48     ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28  2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 11:15   ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30  7:57     ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30  7:55   ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40       ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17           ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13               ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 17:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-11-30 18:29                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30 21:12         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37                     ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06  3:12                     ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08  1:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08  2:11                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08  2:37                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10  3:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10  6:22                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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