From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:15:05 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912010908590.2872@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200912011803.24664.arnd@arndb.de>
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 30 November 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > The best option really would be to try to make it all use RCU, rather than
> > paper over things. That really should improve performance.
>
> Are there any writers at interrupt time?
No, there can't be. That would already be a deadlock, since we take the
read lock without irq protection (exactly because many of the read-lockers
are pretty performance-sensitive).
> If not, another option might be to first convert all the readers that
> can happen from interrupts to RCU, which lets us get rid of the irq
> disable in the write path.
If you convert the irq readers, you generally really need to convert the
rest too. In particular, you still need to convert the write-side to use
the RCU versions of the insert/remove code, and to free the things from
RCU in order for it all to be safe (think: irq reader on another CPU than
the writer, now without any locking).
So you really don't win all that much. At a minimum, you always have to
convert all the writers to use RCU (even if you then keep the rwlock as
the exclusion model), and since that involves a large portion of the
complexity (including at least the RCU freeing side), what you end up with
is that you can avoid converting _some_ of the readers.
So I do agree that you can do things in two stages, but I suspect the irq
disable on the write path part is the least of our problems.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-01 17:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-23 14:54 Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25 6:52 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 8:56 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 6:54 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:48 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28 2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 11:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 7:55 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-11-30 18:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30 21:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37 ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06 3:12 ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 1:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08 2:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 2:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 3:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 6:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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