From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:46:38 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091130174638.GA9782@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911300722370.2872@localhost.localdomain>
* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> >
> > How long will this use be around? I've seen some slow progress toward
> > replacing most read side uses of the task list lock with RCU. While we
> > still have lots of read side users now I wonder when they'll go away.
>
> tasklist_lock is pretty nasty. I threw out "replace it with RCU"
> because it would be nice, but the data structures used are not just
> simple linked lists that we have RCU helpers for traversing.
>
> There are various real exclusion rules about things like
> 'tsk->exit_state' etc, which do not translate directly to RCU usage.
> Of course, _maybe_ all the places that care already take the thing for
> writing and would just automatically have exclusion anyway.
>
> So I'd love to see somebody try to do the conversion. To a first
> approximation, you probably could do
>
> - turn tasklist_lock into a spinlock
>
> - sed 's/write_lock_irq(&tasklist_lock)/spin_lock(&tasklist_lock)/g'
> sed 's/write_unlock_irq(&tasklist_lock)/spin_unlock(&tasklist_lock)/g'
>
> - sed 's/read_lock(&tasklist_lock)/rcu_read_lock()/g'
> sed 's/read_unlock(&tasklist_lock)/rcu_read_unlock()/g'
>
> - make all the task lists use the RCU versions of the list routines
>
> - free the task structure using RCU
>
> and you'd be _pretty_ close to a working system.
In -rt we've got that in essence, and it's indeed working fine (with a
few caveats). A few RCU conversions of tasklist_lock usage in that area
even trickled upstream, because the simple lock would hurt so much under
-rt.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-30 17:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-23 14:54 Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25 6:52 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 8:56 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 6:54 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:48 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28 2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 11:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 7:55 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 18:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-11-30 21:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37 ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06 3:12 ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 1:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08 2:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 2:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 3:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 6:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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