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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: "Tom Zanussi" <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: disabling group leader perf_event
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:59:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100906125905.GA25414@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C84E265.1020402@redhat.com>


* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:

>  On 09/06/2010 03:43 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > Yes. The filter engine is a safe, in-kernel interpreted language in 
> > the making. The C syntax was chosen because it's close to the heart 
> > of every kernel developer.
> >
> > It might make sense to bring this concept a few steps further. Looks 
> > rather complex but also rather cool ...
> 
> Is this a roundabout way of saying "jit"?

Partly. I'm not sure we want to actually upload programs in bytecode 
form. ASCII is just fine - just like a .gz Javascript is fine for web 
apps. (and in most cases compresses down better than the bytecode 
equivalent)

So a clear language (the simpler initially the better) plus an in-kernel 
compiler.

This could be used for far more than just instrumentation: IMO security 
policies could be expressed in such a way. (Simplified, they are quite 
similar to filters installed on syscall entry/exit, with the ability of 
the filter to influence whether the syscall is performed.)

> If so, I'm all for it.  I could use one myself.

Good ;-)

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-06 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-06  9:12 Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:34   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:58       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 12:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-06 16:42               ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-07 12:53                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 14:16                   ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-06 12:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 12:45           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:59             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-09-06 13:41               ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 13:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 14:57               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:30                 ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 15:20                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:48                     ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 17:50                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 17:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07  3:44                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  8:33                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07  9:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 22:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 15:55                       ` Alan Cox
2010-09-08  1:44                       ` Paul Mackerras
2010-09-08  6:16                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-08  6:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  7:30                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-08 19:30                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-09-09  7:38                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  6:19                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 20:31                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 20:37                     ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07  4:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  9:30                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 22:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 10:57                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-07 12:14                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 13:35                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 13:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:02                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-12  6:46                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 17:54                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 18:48                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 19:14                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 20:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 21:06                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 22:19                               ` Ingo Molnar

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