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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	Fr?d?ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: disabling group leader perf_event
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:46:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100912064612.GA1582@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100906154737.GA4332@elte.hu>

Hi!

> > >>Is this a roundabout way of saying "jit"?
> > >Partly. I'm not sure we want to actually upload programs in bytecode
> > >form. ASCII is just fine - just like a .gz Javascript is fine for web
> > >apps. (and in most cases compresses down better than the bytecode
> > >equivalent)
> > >
> > >So a clear language (the simpler initially the better) plus an in-kernel
> > >compiler.
> > >
> > >This could be used for far more than just instrumentation: IMO security
> > >policies could be expressed in such a way. (Simplified, they are quite
> > >similar to filters installed on syscall entry/exit, with the ability of
> > >the filter to influence whether the syscall is performed.)
> > 
> > For me the requirements are:
> > - turing complete (more than just filters)
> 
> Yep. Filters are obviously just basically expressions.
> 
> Conditions and variables can be added. Maybe loops too in simpler forms 
> - as long as we can prove halting - or maybe with a runtime abort 
> mechanism.
> 
> > - easy interface to kernel APIs (like hrtimers)
> > - safe to use by untrusted users
> 
> Yep.
> 
> > The actual language doesn't really matter.
> 
> There are 3 basic categories:
> 
>  1- Most (least abstract) specific code: a block of bytecode in the form 
>     of a simplified, executable, kernel-checked x86 machine code block - 
>     this is also the fastest form. [yes, this is actually possible.]

Well... if we want to be a bit x86-entric.... can we just reuse ACPI
interpretter?

Plus, TOMOYO actually has a language inside... AppArmor actually has
something, too, but iirc it is only as powerful as regexps.
									Pavel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-12 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-06  9:12 Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:34   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:58       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 12:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-06 16:42               ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-07 12:53                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 14:16                   ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-06 12:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 12:45           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:41               ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 13:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 14:57               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:30                 ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 15:20                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:48                     ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 17:50                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 17:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07  3:44                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  8:33                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07  9:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 22:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 15:55                       ` Alan Cox
2010-09-08  1:44                       ` Paul Mackerras
2010-09-08  6:16                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-08  6:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  7:30                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-08 19:30                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-09-09  7:38                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  6:19                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 20:31                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 20:37                     ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07  4:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  9:30                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 22:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 10:57                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-07 12:14                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 13:35                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 13:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:02                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-12  6:46                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-09-12 17:54                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 18:48                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 19:14                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 20:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 21:06                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 22:19                               ` Ingo Molnar

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