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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Tom Zanussi" <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: disabling group leader perf_event
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:48:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100906164824.339cd82e@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8506B5.1040808@redhat.com>

> No, I want the ability to terminate the code at any time and clean up 
> any resources used.  We have exactly the same requirements for ordinary 
> userspace.

So you intend to prevent its use at any point where we have a kernel only
resource held in any way manner or form ? Remember we don't hold locks or
many kinds of kernel resource across syscalls. Likewise I'm interested
how you will keep it compatible with real time ?

> > - bounded memory use
> > - trustable behaviour for access
> 
> Right.
> 
> > and usually minimal side effects since you want to optimise very
> > heavily and side effects stop that (which is also why Fortran still kicks
> > C's backside for crunching)
> >
> > Not sure you need/want to do the conversion in kernel.
> 
> I prefer bytecode as well.
> 
> > I'd have thought a
> > sane way to handle it would have been to throw stuff at the kernel in
> > some kind of semi-sane byte code that can be interpreted by a noddy
> > interpreter but firstly when you get it have the kernel try and run a
> > helper to compile it.
> 
> So you do want to jit?

Depends what you mean by jit. JIT normally implies compiling/recompiling
as you go. Do we want to compile it once at load time - probably,
assuming the tool is present.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-06 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-06  9:12 Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:34   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 11:58       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-06 12:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-06 16:42               ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-07 12:53                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 14:16                   ` Tom Zanussi
2010-09-06 12:49           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 12:45           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 12:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 13:41               ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 13:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 14:57               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:30                 ` Alan Cox
2010-09-06 15:20                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:48                     ` Alan Cox [this message]
2010-09-06 17:50                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-06 17:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07  3:44                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  8:33                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07  9:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 22:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 15:55                       ` Alan Cox
2010-09-08  1:44                       ` Paul Mackerras
2010-09-08  6:16                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-08  6:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  7:30                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-08 19:30                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-09-09  7:38                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08  6:19                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-06 20:31                   ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-06 20:37                     ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07  4:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07  9:30                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 22:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-07 10:57                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-07 12:14                       ` Pekka Enberg
2010-09-07 13:35                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-07 13:47                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:02                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-12  6:46                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 17:54                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 18:48                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 19:14                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 20:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12 21:06                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-12 22:19                               ` Ingo Molnar

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