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From: Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:35:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201203170035.47756.chunkeey@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201203162357.10770.rjw@sisk.pl>

On Friday 16 March 2012 23:57:10 Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Friday, March 16, 2012, Christian Lamparter wrote:
> > On Friday 16 March 2012 23:19:53 Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > On 03/04/2012 01:52 AM, Christian Lamparter wrote:
> > > > > During resume, the userhelper might not be available. However for
> > > > > drivers which use the request_firmware_nowait interface, this will
> > > > > only lead to a pointless WARNING and a device which no longer works
> > > > > after the resume [since it couldn't get the firmware, because the
> > > > > userhelper was not available to take the request].
> > > > > 
> > > > > In order to solve this "chicken or egg" dilemma, the code now
> > > > > retries _nowait requests at one second intervals until the
> > > > > "loading_timeout" time is up.
> > > 
> > > BTW, I wonder what comments on this patch were posted?
> > Only Alan Cox was kind enough to drop me a few words.
> > 
> > Why? Do you think it is actually sane from a specific POV?
> > [Don't tell me you do :D !]
> 
> I don't think it's really wrong.
Of course, I've tested both patches [the RFC and the other one].
The RFC might not be "really wrong" but the concept of busy
msleeping strikes me as a bit insane. [Maybe, that's because I
write drivers and I hate it when IO needs msleeps... brrr]
 
> I agree that the WARN_ON() isn't really useful in the request_firmware_nowait()
> case, because the user of that doesn't really know when exactly the firmware is
> going to be requested, so it can't really do anything about the warning.
> 
> Moreover, failures of request_firmware_nowait() just because it happens to
> race with system suspend (or something of that kind), just because of "bad"
> timing, aren't really useful either.
> 
If it's just about "waiting until the firmware can be loaded" then why not go
with the "easy approach in the [PATCH] don't cancel...". This just queues the
request in the _nowait case. And once the userspace helper is running, it will
pick up all backlogged firmware requests [of course, only the ones that have
not been timeouted yet] and life goes on!

Anyway, I know that I don't really have a say in what will be accepted.
So, it's all up to you guys! But I'll happily test any patches.

> So, I think it makes sense for it to wait until the firmware can be loaded.
> 
> I'd do that a bit differently, though, for example like in the appended patch
> (untested).
Just one comment. [see below] 

And now, I'm off to bed.

Good night,
	Chr

> ---
>  drivers/base/firmware_class.c |   31 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
>  1 file changed, 27 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)


> Index: linux/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
> ===================================================================
> --- linux.orig/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
> +++ linux/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
> @@ -20,6 +20,7 @@
>  #include <linux/highmem.h>
>  #include <linux/firmware.h>
>  #include <linux/slab.h>
> +#include <linux/delay.h>
>  
>  #define to_dev(obj) container_of(obj, struct device, kobj)
>  
> @@ -535,10 +536,31 @@ static int _request_firmware(const struc
>  
>  	read_lock_usermodehelper();
>  
> -	if (WARN_ON(usermodehelper_is_disabled())) {
> +	if (nowait) {
> +		int limit = loading_timeout * MSEC_PER_SEC;
> +		int timeout = 10;  /* in msec */
> +
> +		while (usermodehelper_is_disabled()) {
> +			read_unlock_usermodehelper();
> +
> +			msleep(timeout);
timeout is 10 ms, right?

so this might apply:
Documentation/timers/timers-howto.txt
	- Why not msleep for (1ms - 20ms)?
		Explained originally here:
			http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/3/250
		msleep(1~20) may not do what the caller intends, and
		will often sleep longer (~20 ms actual sleep for any
		value given in the 1~20ms range). In many cases this
		is not the desired behavior.

Of course, that's of little importance.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-16 23:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-03 20:22 Christian Lamparter
2012-03-03 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2012-03-04  1:50   ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-05 20:12 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-09 22:30   ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper " Christian Lamparter
2012-03-09 23:36     ` Greg KH
2012-03-10  0:52       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-11 11:56       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-13  9:37         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13  9:43         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13 20:14           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 19:21             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:17                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:38                       ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15  0:11                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-15 19:50                           ` [PATCH] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 20:07                             ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-15 20:12                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 22:31                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  1:39                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 20:19                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 20:26                                       ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 21:45                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:18                                           ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  2:47                           ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Stephen Boyd
2012-03-17  5:51                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17 20:06                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  8:26                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-18 12:01                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19  6:32                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-19 11:24                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 23:00                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:00                                         ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 1/6] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 2/6] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:15                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 18:21                                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:12                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 20:31                                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:36                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:35                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:51                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:02                                           ` [PATCH 3/6] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 4/6] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 5/6] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:04                                           ` [PATCH 6/6] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:16                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:06                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:25                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:37                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:42                                           ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Greg KH
2012-03-26 20:37                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 1/2] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:47                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:49                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-27 21:56                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:49                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:01                                             ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:21                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:48                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:55                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 23:02                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 23:05                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-28 21:19                                           ` [PATCH v2 0/8] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:20                                             ` [PATCH v2 1/8] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:21                                             ` [PATCH v2 2/8] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:22                                             ` [PATCH v3 3/8] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 4/8] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 5/8] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:24                                             ` [PATCH v2 6/8] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:25                                             ` [PATCH v2 7/8] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:26                                             ` [PATCH v2 8/8] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:19                 ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 19:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 23:25           ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14  0:14               ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:43                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  1:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:55                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:00                         ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14 15:07               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-14 22:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  7:14                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 20:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 21:14                       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 21:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-19  7:06                         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 22:19   ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:25     ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 23:35         ` Christian Lamparter [this message]
2012-03-16 23:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17  0:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  0:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18  0:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  2:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18 12:21                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 12:43                 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-18 23:15                   ` [PATCH 0/3] firmware_class: Fix problem with async requests (was: Re: [RFC] firmware loader: retry ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:17                     ` [PATCH 1/3] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:18                     ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:21                     ` [PATCH 3/3] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready for async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 12:41           ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available James Courtier-Dutton

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