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From: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	skannan@codeaurora.org, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:44:09 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F62E841.70405@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201203142354.04256.rjw@sisk.pl>

On 03/15/2012 04:24 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 14, 2012, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
>> On 03/14/2012 05:40 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 14, 2012, Kay Sievers wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 20:42, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, March 11, 2012, Kay Sievers wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 00:36, Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> What does uevent have to do with things here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that the firmware loader should care about the
>>>>>> usermodehelper at all, and that stuff fiddling should just be removed
>>>>>> from the firmware class.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's there to warn people that their drivers do stupid things like
>>>>> loading frimware during system resume, which is guaranteed not to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW, it's there very much on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Using the /sbin/hotplug is no case that needs any warning. It' such a
>>>> broken model these days, that firmware loading is the least problem
>>>> that occurs with it.
>>>>
>>>>>> Forking /sbin/hotplug is disabled by default, it is a broken concept,
>>>>>> and it cannot work reliably on today's systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firmware is not loaded by /sbin/hotplug since many years, but by udev
>>>>>> or whatever service handles uevents, like ueventd on android.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which I'm not sure why is relevant here.
>>>>
>>>> It is relevant in the sense that the firmware loader should not even
>>>> know that a uevent *can* cause a usermodehelper exec() if it runs in
>>>> legacy mode. The firmware loader just has no business in fiddling with
>>>> the details of driver core legacy stuff. I don't think his warning
>>>> makes much sense.
>>>
>>> But that warning actually triggers for drivers that attempt to use
>>> request_firmware() during system resume, even though /sbin/hotplug isn't
>>> used any more.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Rafael about why the warning and the bail out is required,
>> including the part about the races with freezer which he explained in his
>> other mail. These problems have already been well documented too.
>> (See Documentation/power/freezing-of-tasks.txt).
>>
>>> usermodehelper_is_disabled() means "we are in the middle of system power
>>> transition" rather than anything else (I agree it should be called
>>> suspend_in_progress() or something similar these days).
>>>
>>
>>
>> How about this patch then?
>>
>> ---
>>
>> From: Srivatsa S. Bhat <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>> Subject: PM/firmware loader: Use better name for usermodehelper_is_disabled()
>>
>> Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
>>
>> | usermodehelper_is_disabled() means "we are in the middle of system power
>> | transition" rather than anything else (I agree it should be called
>> | suspend_in_progress() or something similar these days).
>>
>>
>> But simply renaming usermodehelper_is_disabled() to suspend_in_progress()
>> isn't the best thing to do since that would be misleading because suspend
>> transitions are begun much before usermodehelpers are disabled.
>>
>> Apart from that, we don't want people to suddenly start abusing this function
>> in future in a totally different context to check if suspend is in progress.
>>
>> So, add an alias specific to firmware loaders alone, that will internally
>> call usermodehelpers_is_disabled().
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Srivatsa S. Bhat <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>> ---
>>
>>  drivers/base/firmware_class.c |   12 +++++++++++-
>>  1 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/base/firmware_class.c b/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
>> index 6c9387d..9e401e1 100644
>> --- a/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
>> +++ b/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
>> @@ -510,6 +510,8 @@ static void fw_destroy_instance(struct firmware_priv *fw_priv)
>>  	device_unregister(f_dev);
>>  }
>>  
>> +#define suspend_in_progress()	usermodehelper_is_disabled()
> 
> This looks like an overstretch to me.  I think a comment would be sufficient.


On second thoughts... I agree, a comment is good enough.

> 
>> +
>>  static int _request_firmware(const struct firmware **firmware_p,
>>  			     const char *name, struct device *device,
>>  			     bool uevent, bool nowait)
>> @@ -535,7 +537,15 @@ static int _request_firmware(const struct firmware **firmware_p,
>>  
>>  	read_lock_usermodehelper();
>>  
>> -	if (WARN_ON(usermodehelper_is_disabled())) {
>> +	/*
>> +	 * It is wrong to request firmware when the system is suspended,
>> +	 * because it simply won't work reliably.
> 
> In fact, it won't work at all.
> 
>> +	 Also, it can cause races with
>> +	 * the freezer, leading to freezing failures.
> 
> It actually is worse than that too.  It may cause a user space process
> to run when we think we have frozen user space and _that_ may lead to
> all kinds of interesting breakage.
> 


Oh, yes! That would be really dreadful!

>> 	 * So check if the system is
>> +	 * in a state which is unsuitable for requesting firmware (because the
>> +	 * system is suspended or not yet fully resumed) and bail out early if
>> +	 * needed.
> 
> And here I'd explain why usermodehelper_is_disabled() is used for that.
>


OK
 

>> +	 */
>> +	if (WARN_ON(suspend_in_progress())) {
>>  		dev_err(device, "firmware: %s will not be loaded\n", name);
>>  		retval = -EBUSY;
>>  		goto out;
> 


So here is the updated patch:
(I know its a bit verbose, but given that it is causing a considerable amount of
confusion, may be a proper comment with good explanation is worthwhile).

---

From: Srivatsa S. Bhat <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: PM/firmware loader: Explain why usermodehelper_is_disabled() check is used


Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:

| usermodehelper_is_disabled() means "we are in the middle of system power
| transition" rather than anything else (I agree it should be called
| suspend_in_progress() or something similar these days).

But instead of renaming usermodehelper_is_disabled(), add a comment
explaining its importance and also why the warning and bail out at
_request_firmware() makes sense.

Signed-off-by: Srivatsa S. Bhat <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
---

 drivers/base/firmware_class.c |   16 ++++++++++++++++
 1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

diff --git a/drivers/base/firmware_class.c b/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
index 6c9387d..9199e3e 100644
--- a/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
+++ b/drivers/base/firmware_class.c
@@ -535,6 +535,22 @@ static int _request_firmware(const struct firmware **firmware_p,
 
 	read_lock_usermodehelper();
 
+	/*
+	 * It is wrong to request firmware when the system is suspended,
+	 * because it simply won't work. Also, it can cause races with
+	 * the freezer, leading to freezing failures. Worse than that,
+	 * it may even cause a user space process to run when we think
+	 * we have frozen the user space! - and that can lead to all kinds
+	 * of interesting breakage..
+	 *
+	 * So check if the system is in a state which is unsuitable for
+	 * requesting firmware (because it is suspended or not yet fully
+	 * resumed) and bail out early if needed.
+	 * Usermodehelpers are disabled at the beginning of suspend, before
+	 * freezing tasks and re-enabled only towards the end of resume, after
+	 * thawing tasks, when it is safe. So all we need to do here is ensure
+	 * that we don't request firmware when usermodehelpers are disabled.
+	 */
 	if (WARN_ON(usermodehelper_is_disabled())) {
 		dev_err(device, "firmware: %s will not be loaded\n", name);
 		retval = -EBUSY;



  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-16  7:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-03 20:22 [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper " Christian Lamparter
2012-03-03 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2012-03-04  1:50   ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-05 20:12 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-09 22:30   ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper " Christian Lamparter
2012-03-09 23:36     ` Greg KH
2012-03-10  0:52       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-11 11:56       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-13  9:37         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13  9:43         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13 20:14           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 19:21             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:17                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:38                       ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15  0:11                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-15 19:50                           ` [PATCH] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 20:07                             ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-15 20:12                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 22:31                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  1:39                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 20:19                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 20:26                                       ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 21:45                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:18                                           ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  2:47                           ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Stephen Boyd
2012-03-17  5:51                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17 20:06                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  8:26                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-18 12:01                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19  6:32                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-19 11:24                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 23:00                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:00                                         ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 1/6] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 2/6] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:15                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 18:21                                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:12                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 20:31                                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:36                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:35                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:51                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:02                                           ` [PATCH 3/6] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 4/6] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 5/6] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:04                                           ` [PATCH 6/6] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:16                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:06                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:25                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:37                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:42                                           ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Greg KH
2012-03-26 20:37                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 1/2] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:47                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:49                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-27 21:56                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:49                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:01                                             ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:21                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:48                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:55                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 23:02                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 23:05                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-28 21:19                                           ` [PATCH v2 0/8] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:20                                             ` [PATCH v2 1/8] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:21                                             ` [PATCH v2 2/8] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:22                                             ` [PATCH v3 3/8] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 4/8] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 5/8] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:24                                             ` [PATCH v2 6/8] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:25                                             ` [PATCH v2 7/8] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:26                                             ` [PATCH v2 8/8] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:19                 ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 19:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 23:25           ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14  0:14               ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:43                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  1:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:55                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:00                         ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14 15:07               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-14 22:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  7:14                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat [this message]
2012-03-16 20:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 21:14                       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 21:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-19  7:06                         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 22:19   ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:25     ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 23:35         ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 23:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17  0:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  0:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18  0:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  2:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18 12:21                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 12:43                 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-18 23:15                   ` [PATCH 0/3] firmware_class: Fix problem with async requests (was: Re: [RFC] firmware loader: retry ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:17                     ` [PATCH 1/3] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:18                     ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:21                     ` [PATCH 3/3] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready for async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 12:41           ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available James Courtier-Dutton

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