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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	Linux PM mailing list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:00:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201203200000.43316.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201203191225.00199.rjw@sisk.pl>

On Monday, March 19, 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Monday, March 19, 2012, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > On 3/18/2012 5:01 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 18, 2012, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok. I like where nowait() is going in the other part of the thread but
> > >> I'm still confused about when request_firmware() is correct to use. It
> > >> seems that the function is inherently racy with freezing. Does every
> > >> user of request_firmware() need to synchronize with freezing?
> > >>
> > >> For example, if one CPU is in the middle of a driver probe that makes a
> > >> request_firmware() call and another CPU is starting to suspend we will
> > >> have a race between usermodehelpers being disabled and the
> > >> request_firmware() call acquiring the usermodehelper rwsem. If the
> > >> suspending CPU wins the race it will disable usermodehelpers and the
> > >> request_firmware() call will return -EBUSY and warn.
> > > Yes, it will.
> > 
> > That sounds wrong then, no? Why don't we have request_firmware() do a
> > read_lock on the usermodehelpers sem and then have suspend do a write
> > lock, disable usermodehelpers, wait for any users  to finish, freeze
> > processes and then unlock the write lock? That way we don't hit a case
> > where request_firmware() races with suspend, and we don't have to change
> > the warning or conditional.
> 
> So, you're postulating that the freezing of tasks be done under
> umhelper_sem write-locked, right?
> 
> That would lead to freezing failures if a user space task waited in
> request_firmware() for umhelper_sem to become available for read-locking
> and unfortunately we don't have an interruptible variant of down_read().
> 
> However, we may catch request_firmware() and try to freeze the task
> calling it instead.  I'll try to prototype something along these lines later
> today (on top of the three "firmware_class" patches I posted yesterday).

Well, that's going to take some more time, as it's more complicated than
I thought initially.  Please, stay tuned.

Thanks,
Rafael


  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-19 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-03 20:22 [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper " Christian Lamparter
2012-03-03 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2012-03-04  1:50   ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-05 20:12 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-09 22:30   ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper " Christian Lamparter
2012-03-09 23:36     ` Greg KH
2012-03-10  0:52       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-11 11:56       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-13  9:37         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13  9:43         ` Saravana Kannan
2012-03-13 20:14           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 19:21             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:04               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:17                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-14 23:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:38                       ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15  0:11                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-15 19:50                           ` [PATCH] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 20:07                             ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-15 20:12                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-15 22:31                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  1:39                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 20:19                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 20:26                                       ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-16 21:45                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:18                                           ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  2:47                           ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Stephen Boyd
2012-03-17  5:51                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17 20:06                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  8:26                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-18 12:01                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19  6:32                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-19 11:24                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 23:00                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-03-25 22:00                                         ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 1/6] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:01                                           ` [PATCH 2/6] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:15                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 18:21                                               ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:12                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 20:31                                                   ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:36                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:35                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:51                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:02                                           ` [PATCH 3/6] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 4/6] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:03                                           ` [PATCH 5/6] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-25 22:04                                           ` [PATCH 6/6] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:16                                             ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-26 20:06                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:25                                                 ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:37                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-26 18:42                                           ` [PATCH 0/6] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Greg KH
2012-03-26 20:37                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 1/2] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:47                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:49                                               ` Greg KH
2012-03-27 21:56                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 21:28                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 21:49                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:01                                             ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:21                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 22:48                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-27 22:55                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-27 23:02                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-27 23:05                                                     ` Stephen Boyd
2012-03-28 21:19                                           ` [PATCH v2 0/8] firmware_class: Fix problems with usermodehelper test Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:20                                             ` [PATCH v2 1/8] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:21                                             ` [PATCH v2 2/8] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:22                                             ` [PATCH v3 3/8] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready from async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 4/8] PM / Hibernate: Disable usermode helpers right before freezing tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:23                                             ` [PATCH v2 5/8] PM / Sleep: Move disabling of usermode helpers to the freezer Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:24                                             ` [PATCH v2 6/8] PM / Sleep: Mitigate race between the freezer and request_firmware() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:25                                             ` [PATCH v2 7/8] firmware_class: Reorganize fw_create_instance() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-28 21:26                                             ` [PATCH v2 8/8] firmware_class: Move request_firmware_nowait() to workqueues Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14 23:19                 ` [PATCH] firmware loader: don't cancel _nowait requests when helper is not yet available Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 19:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-13 23:25           ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:10             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-14  0:14               ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  0:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:43                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  1:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14  1:55                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:00                         ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-14  2:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-14 15:07               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-14 22:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16  7:14                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 20:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 21:14                       ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 21:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-19  7:06                         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 22:19   ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 22:25     ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 22:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-16 23:35         ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-16 23:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-17  0:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-17  0:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18  0:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18  2:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-18 12:21                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 12:43                 ` Christian Lamparter
2012-03-18 23:15                   ` [PATCH 0/3] firmware_class: Fix problem with async requests (was: Re: [RFC] firmware loader: retry ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:17                     ` [PATCH 1/3] firmware_class: Rework usermodehelper check Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:18                     ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware_class: Split _request_firmware() into three functions Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-18 23:21                     ` [PATCH 3/3] firmware_class: Do not warn that system is not ready for async loads Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-19 12:41           ` [RFC] firmware loader: retry _nowait requests when userhelper is not yet available James Courtier-Dutton

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