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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Patel <ripatel@wii.dev>,
	x86@kernel.org, Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Usermode Indirect Branch Tracking
Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 11:40:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260519094051.GB3126523@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260519103345.49e52ceb@pumpkin>

On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 10:33:45AM +0100, David Laight wrote:
> On Sun, 17 May 2026 13:30:17 -0500
> Richard Patel <ripatel@wii.dev> wrote:
> 
> > I was quite surprised that the Linux kernel still does not allow
> > userspace to enable x86 IBT (indirect jmp/call integrity).
> > 
> > Compilers and linkers have been emitting 'endbr64' IBT markers and ELF
> > support notes for a while now.
> > 
> > The hard work was done years ago by Intel:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210830182221.3535-1-yu-cheng.yu@intel.com/
> > 
> > In summary, usermode IBT requires 3 things:
> > 1. Set the CET_ENDBR_EN bit in MSR_IA32_U_CET for each IBT-enabled thread
> >    (PATCH 2,5)
> > 2. Back up the WAIT_FOR_ENDBR bit across signal handling (PATCH 3,4)
> > 3. Provide a way for usermode to enable it (PATCH 5)
> > 
> > This builds on top of Yu Cheng's work, with some adaptations:
> > - FRED support
> > - Implemented the existing prctl(PR_CFI_*) API
> > - Removed ELF parsing (can be added later)
> > 
> > Unresolved questions:
> > - Is there a cleaner way to do the WAIT_FOR_ENDBR XSAVE fallback?
> > - What to do about 'notrack jmp *rax'?
> >   I leave CET_NO_TRACK_EN enabled, which weakens IBT, by enabling a jump
> >   prefix that skips the ENDBR check. GCC emits it for jump tables
> >   (-mcet-switch). We could introduce a PR_CFI_IBT_STRICT bit.
> 
> Isn't using 'notrack jmp *reg' for jump tables actually more secure?
> If an attacker can write code it doesn't matter.
> The jump table in is RO memory so can't be written.
> But if there are ENDBR on all the jump table targets they become
> possibly useful code addresses to arrange to write into some RW
> function pointer table - which might be useful.

One of the many reasons the kernel is built without jump-tables.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-19  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-17 18:30 Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 1/7] x86: add userspace IBT config option Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] x86: shstk: don't clobber IBT bits in U_CET MSR Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] x86: signal handler support for IBT Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86: ban 32-bit sigreturn when user IBT enabled Richard Patel
2026-05-18 20:22   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-05-19  0:14     ` Richard Patel
2026-05-24 21:53     ` Richard Patel
2026-05-25 11:05       ` David Laight
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86: expose user IBT via PR_CFI_BRANCH_LANDING_PADS Richard Patel
2026-05-18  6:46   ` Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 6/7] x86/entry/vdso: build with IBT support Richard Patel
2026-05-17 18:30 ` [PATCH 7/7] selftests/x86: test usermode IBT Richard Patel
2026-05-18  7:36 ` [PATCH 0/7] Usermode Indirect Branch Tracking Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-18 16:25   ` Richard Patel
2026-05-18 19:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-19  9:33 ` David Laight
2026-05-19  9:40   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-05-19 13:14   ` Richard Patel
2026-05-19 13:28     ` David Laight
2026-05-19 14:18       ` Richard Patel
2026-05-19 14:42         ` Peter Zijlstra

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