From: Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Tim C Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
ricardo.neri@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 6/6] sched/topology: Do not clear SD_PREFER_SIBLING in domains with clusters
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:19:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260626001937.GB19085@ranerica-svr.sc.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260624051457.GA16816@ranerica-svr.sc.intel.com>
On Tue, Jun 23, 2026 at 10:14:57PM -0700, Ricardo Neri wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2026 at 09:26:57AM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 at 01:55, Ricardo Neri
> > <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Some topologies have scheduling domains that contain CPUs of asymmetric
> > > capacity, grouped into two or more clusters of equal-capacity CPUs
> > > sharing an L2 cache. When CONFIG_SCHED_CLUSTER is enabled, load must be
> > > balanced across these clusters.
> > >
> > > Do not clear SD_PREFER_SIBLING in the child domains to indicate to the
> > > load balancer that it should spread load among cluster siblings.
> > >
> > > Checks for capacity in update_sd_pick_busiest(),
> > > sched_balance_find_src_group(), and sched_balance_find_src_rq() prevent
> > > migrations from high- to low-capacity CPUs if the busiest group is not
> > > overloaded.
> > >
> > > CPUs with spare capacity, big or small, have always helped overloaded
> > > groups. Once the overloading condition disappears, misfit load will still
> > > be used to move high-utilization tasks to bigger CPUs if they have spare
> > > capacity.
> > >
> > > Adding the SD_PREFER_SIBLING flag shifts load balancing in shared-LLC
> > > domains from equalizing the number of idle CPUs to equalizing the number
> > > of running tasks. This also enables migrations among clusters from newly-
> > > idle load balance, where the outgoing task is already dequeued but the CPU
> > > has not yet transitioned to idle.
> > >
> > > Reviewed-by: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
> > > Tested-by: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>
> > > ---
> > > Changes in v5:
> > > * Improved inline comments for accuracy.
> > > * Added Tested-by tag from Christian. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Changes in v4:
> > > * Added Reviewed-by tag from Tim. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Changes in v3:
> > > * Updated documentation of SD_PREFER_SIBLING.
> > > * Expanded the patch description to explain the behavior when overloaded
> > > groups are involved.
> > >
> > > Changes in v2:
> > > * Reworded the patch description for clarity.
> > > * Kept parentheses around bitwise operators for clarity.
> > > ---
> > > include/linux/sched/sd_flags.h | 3 ++-
> > > kernel/sched/topology.c | 14 ++++++++++++--
> > > 2 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/include/linux/sched/sd_flags.h b/include/linux/sched/sd_flags.h
> > > index 42839cfa2778..f9a46fb8cacf 100644
> > > --- a/include/linux/sched/sd_flags.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/sched/sd_flags.h
> > > @@ -147,7 +147,8 @@ SD_FLAG(SD_ASYM_PACKING, SDF_NEEDS_GROUPS)
> > > * Prefer to place tasks in a sibling domain
> > > *
> > > * Set up until domains start spanning NUMA nodes. Close to being a SHARED_CHILD
> > > - * flag, but cleared below domains with SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY.
> > > + * flag, but cleared below domains with SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY unless those child
> > > + * domains have clusters of CPUs sharing cache.
> > > *
> > > * NEEDS_GROUPS: Load balancing flag.
> > > */
> > > diff --git a/kernel/sched/topology.c b/kernel/sched/topology.c
> > > index 622e2e01974c..261b407d0936 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/sched/topology.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/sched/topology.c
> > > @@ -1995,8 +1995,18 @@ sd_init(struct sched_domain_topology_level *tl,
> > > /*
> > > * Convert topological properties into behaviour.
> > > */
> > > - /* Don't attempt to spread across CPUs of different capacities. */
> > > - if ((sd->flags & SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY) && sd->child)
> > > + /*
> > > + * Don't attempt to spread across CPUs of different capacities.
> > > + *
> > > + * If the child domain has clusters of CPUs sharing L2 cache, keep the
> > > + * flag to spread tasks across clusters of identical capacity. Checks in
> > > + * the load balancer prevent task migrations from high- to low-capacity
> > > + * CPUs unless the source group is overloaded. Migrations to a lower-
> > > + * capacity CPU can happen if a higher-capacity group is overloaded and
> > > + * a lower-capacity CPU has spare capacity.
> > > + */
> > > + if ((sd->flags & SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY) && sd->child &&
> > > + !(sd->child->flags & SD_CLUSTER))
> > > sd->child->flags &= ~SD_PREFER_SIBLING;
> >
> > Last time I looked at this patch I was balanced between your proposal
> > above and simply keeping SD_PREFER_SIBLING for all HMP topologies. As
> > added in the comment:
> > " Checks in
> > * the load balancer prevent task migrations from high- to low-capacity
> > * CPUs unless the source group is overloaded.
> > "
> > So, why should we bother for (SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY && !SD_CLUSTER) topology ?
>
> No reason, AFAICS. I just wanted to restrict the change to the target
> topology of this patchset.
>
> But you raise a good point: given the checks in place in the load balancer,
> it should be OK to keep SD_PREFER_SIBLING in all asymmetric topologies. I
> will run a few experiments to confirm.
I ran a few experiments with and without CONFIG_CLUSTER_SCHED. I ran N
threads where N < nproc to ensure that sched groups were classified as
has_spare or fully_busy. The threads saturated the CPUs to minimize task
placement decisions at wake up.
I observed these threads to remain on the CPUs with highest capacity; no
spreading.
I repeated the experiment with EAS enabled and threads ramping up
utilization. EAS kept them on small CPUs and later duly moved to CPUs of
higher capacity as they became misfits.
I will update my patch to keep SD_PREFER_SIBLING regardless of asymmetric
capacity.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-26 0:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-23 0:05 [PATCH v5 0/6] sched: Fix cluster scheduling in the presence of asymmetric capacity Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 0:05 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] sched/fair: Do not skip CPUs of similar capacity with busy SMT siblings Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 7:13 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-24 5:25 ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 0:05 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] sched/fair: Also gate overloaded status update for SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 7:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-23 0:05 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] sched/fair: Check CPU capacity before comparing group types during load balance Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 0:05 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] sched/fair: Skip misfit load accounting when the destination CPU cannot help Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 0:05 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] sched/fair: Allow load balancing between CPUs of identical capacity Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 7:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-23 7:45 ` Christian Loehle
2026-06-24 5:25 ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-26 0:11 ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-26 14:50 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-27 2:02 ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-29 15:35 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-29 15:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-06-29 15:58 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-29 16:32 ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-30 7:00 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-26 15:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-27 19:07 ` Andrea Righi
2026-06-29 16:22 ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 0:05 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] sched/topology: Do not clear SD_PREFER_SIBLING in domains with clusters Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23 7:26 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-24 5:14 ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-26 0:19 ` Ricardo Neri [this message]
2026-06-26 14:54 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-29 13:10 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] sched: Fix cluster scheduling in the presence of asymmetric capacity Andrea Righi
2026-06-29 16:24 ` Ricardo Neri
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