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From: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
To: Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	g@ranerica-svr.sc.intel.com,  Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	 Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Tim C Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	 Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	 Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>,  Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	ricardo.neri@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 5/6] sched/fair: Allow load balancing between CPUs of identical capacity
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2026 17:35:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKfTPtBuRLfYNnR4w--cFZYZy-R8gaPEgVwCcaMmbCcJ2H-muQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260627020253.GA20409@ranerica-svr.sc.intel.com>

On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 at 03:53, Ricardo Neri
<ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2026 at 04:50:12PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 at 02:02, Ricardo Neri
> > <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2026 at 10:25:14PM -0700, Ricardo Neri wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2026 at 08:45:23AM +0100, Christian Loehle wrote:
> > > > > On 6/23/26 08:20, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 at 01:55, Ricardo Neri
> > > > > > <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> sched_balance_find_src_rq() avoids selecting a runqueue with a single
> > > > > >> running task as busiest if doing so results in migrating the task to a
> > > > > >> CPU with less than ~5% of extra capacity. It also unintentionally
> > > > > >> prevents migrations between CPUs of identical capacity.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> When CONFIG_SCHED_CLUSTER is enabled, load should be balanced across
> > > > > >> clusters of CPUs with the same capacity. Allowing migration between CPUs
> > > > > >> of identical capacity is necessary to meet this goal.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Use arch_scale_cpu_capacity() to reflect architectural capacity, excluding
> > > > > >
> > > > > > capacity_of() reflects not only RT and irq pressure but also thermal
> > > > > > pressure or system frequency capping.
> > > > > > If dst cluster is under thermal mitigation but the source cluster is
> > > > > > not, we probably shouldn't spread tasks across both clusters.
> > > > > > Have you considered using get_actual_cpu_capacity() instead of
> > > > > > arch_scale_cpu_capacity() ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Replacing arch_scale_cpu_capacity() with get_actual_cpu_capacity()
> > > > > would make the == comparison below very unlikely to be true FWIW.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, this is what I thought too. I did not try with get_actual_cpu_capacity(),
> > > > though. Perhaps on Intel processors it would work since rq->avg_hw.load_avg
> > > > is not used, IIUC. I am not sure about cpufreq_pressure. I need to check.
> > > >
> > > > Still, it may work for Intel processors but not for ARM ones.
> > > >
> > > > > I think it's fine like that, I will prepare a follow-up anyway to make
> > > > > it work for our "almost equal capacity" cluster systems and then also
> > > > > consider switching to get_actual_cpu_capacity() since we include a margin
> > > > > anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Great!
> > >
> > > I confirmed that does not use rq->avg_hw.load_avg nor cpufreq_pressure.
> >
> > I'm not surprised that intel don't use rq->avg_hw.load_avg  but I'm
> > pretty sure that you use cpufreq_pressure, because any call to
> > freq_qos_add_request(..., FREQ_QOS_MAX), like scaling_max_freq, will
> > update cpufreq_pressure.
>
> But in cpufreq_update_pressure() a non-zero pressure can be only computed
> if arch_scale_freq_ref() returns non-zero. x86 does not implement this
> function.
>
> The check max_freq <= capped_freq is always true because the default
> arch_scale_freq_ref() returns 0. The computed pressure is always 0. Am I
> missing something?

Yeah, I forgot that Intel has not enabled it. You should consider
enable it because of the below


>
> >
> > If one cluster has its max freq capped, you will spread tasks between
> > the uncapped and the capped clusters which no longer have the same
> > compute capacity.
>
> I this I agree.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-29 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-23  0:05 [PATCH v5 0/6] sched: Fix cluster scheduling in the presence of asymmetric capacity Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  0:05 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] sched/fair: Do not skip CPUs of similar capacity with busy SMT siblings Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  7:13   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-24  5:25     ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  0:05 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] sched/fair: Also gate overloaded status update for SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  7:14   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-23  0:05 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] sched/fair: Check CPU capacity before comparing group types during load balance Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  0:05 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] sched/fair: Skip misfit load accounting when the destination CPU cannot help Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  0:05 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] sched/fair: Allow load balancing between CPUs of identical capacity Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  7:20   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-23  7:45     ` Christian Loehle
2026-06-24  5:25       ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-26  0:11         ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-26 14:50           ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-27  2:02             ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-29 15:35               ` Vincent Guittot [this message]
2026-06-29 15:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-06-29 15:58                   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-29 16:32                     ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-30  7:00                       ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-26 15:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-27 19:07   ` Andrea Righi
2026-06-29 16:22     ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  0:05 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] sched/topology: Do not clear SD_PREFER_SIBLING in domains with clusters Ricardo Neri
2026-06-23  7:26   ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-24  5:14     ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-26  0:19       ` Ricardo Neri
2026-06-26 14:54         ` Vincent Guittot
2026-06-29 13:10 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] sched: Fix cluster scheduling in the presence of asymmetric capacity Andrea Righi
2026-06-29 16:24   ` Ricardo Neri

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