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From: "Dave Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>
To: "Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jesse Barnes" <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	"Jesse Barnes" <jesse.barnes@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Antonino A. Daplas" <adaplas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] enhancing the kernel's graphics subsystem
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:44:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21d7e9970705211144j219fa8f5n3e5ceab90f7d3f0b@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733910705211104u143e7abercccc4f351441343e@mail.gmail.com>

>
> You are describing a transition plan without knowing what the final
> design is going to look like. We really need to hash out the final
> design so that the right path is taken to get there.
>
> For example I didn't have per CRTC device nodes or user space consoles
> in my original design, but after talking to some of the people that
> really wanted the multi-seat feature it led me down the user space
> console path and to the per CRTC device node solution. I also got beat
> up at OLS by people wanting full Unicode support on the console.
>

No we are defining steps towards improving the drivers on Linux, the
first step is the requirement to fix suspend/resume, and allow
modesetting on multiple crtc/output combinations, the other goals are
not directly within the scope of this work, you can take steps to do
get where we want, but we don't need to move all drivers at once to
get there... we also can't just merge something like that to the
kernel...

Your old ideas were mostly limited by the fact that you didn't get the
crtc/output distinction and persisted with the idea of heads which put
policy in the kernel, this was a major failing you never discovered,
and I didn't probably look enough at the time, since then Keith
Packard has done a lot of work on randr 1.2 to show the path to what
we actually wanted.

Dave.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-21 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-17 21:23 Jesse Barnes
2007-05-17 22:32 ` [PATCH 1/3] allow console unregistration Jesse Barnes
2007-05-17 22:47   ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-17 23:23   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2007-05-18  0:56     ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 21:43     ` [PATCH 1/2] " Jesse Barnes
2007-05-23  0:49       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2007-05-22 21:44     ` [PATCH 2/2] make fbcon unregister when unloaded Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 22:05       ` Randy Dunlap
2007-05-22 22:14         ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-23  0:47           ` Antonino A. Daplas
2007-05-30  0:00   ` [PATCH 1/3] allow console unregistration Antonino A. Daplas
2007-05-30  6:26     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-05-17 22:37 ` [PATCH 2/3] drm modesetting core Jesse Barnes
2007-05-17 22:48   ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-17 23:41   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-05-18  1:04     ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-18 19:33       ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-05-18 21:06         ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-17 22:40 ` [PATCH 3/3] Intel support for DRM modesetting Jesse Barnes
2007-05-17 22:48   ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-20 17:42 ` [RFC] enhancing the kernel's graphics subsystem Jon Smirl
2007-05-20 23:10   ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-21  0:47     ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21  1:29       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-21 15:34         ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 16:15           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-05-21 15:09       ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-21 16:01         ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 16:14           ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-21 16:34             ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-21 17:05               ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 17:14                 ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-21 17:29                   ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 17:42                   ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 17:47                     ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-21 18:04                       ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 18:44                         ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2007-05-21 19:10                           ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 19:20                             ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-21 23:24                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-22  0:08                               ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22  0:20                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-05-21 23:21                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-22  0:35                     ` Alan Cox
2007-05-22  0:33                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-22  0:45                       ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22  0:56                         ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22  8:21                           ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-22  8:07                     ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-22  8:16                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-22  8:27                         ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-22 16:06                         ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22 16:19                           ` Alan Cox
2007-05-22 16:34                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-22  0:15                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-05-21 17:32                 ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-21 23:18                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-22  0:26                   ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22  1:56                     ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 14:27                       ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22 14:35                         ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-22 15:13                           ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22 17:25                             ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-22 19:58                               ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-28 20:12                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-28 20:57                                   ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-29 14:26                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-29 16:51                                       ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22 14:54                         ` Alan Cox
2007-05-22 15:16                           ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22 15:46                             ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 16:02                               ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22 16:14                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-22 16:15                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 16:32                                   ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-22 16:35                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-22 16:51                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 15:59                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-21 16:16           ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-21  8:27   ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-21  9:09     ` Helge Hafting
2007-05-21  9:27       ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-21  9:44         ` Helge Hafting
2007-05-21 15:57           ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-21 16:07             ` Jon Smirl
2007-05-21 16:27               ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-21 16:50                 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-05-22  0:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-05-22  0:51   ` Keith Packard
2007-05-22  2:48     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-05-22 15:39   ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 23:26     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-05-22 23:36       ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-23  0:40         ` Antonino A. Daplas
2007-05-23 12:19       ` Helge Hafting
2007-05-22 16:29   ` Philipp Klaus Krause
2007-05-22 16:57     ` Jesse Barnes
2007-05-22 18:18     ` Dave Airlie
2007-05-22  2:56 ` l l

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