From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: <mingo@kernel.org>, <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
<vincent.guittot@linaro.org>, <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
<rostedt@goodmis.org>, <bsegall@google.com>, <mgorman@suse.de>,
<vschneid@redhat.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<tj@kernel.org>, <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/12] sched: Remove sched_class::balance()
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 08:04:11 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f0f320a-a718-4df8-922b-a3187861d6f8@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avW8dhhssAucmErt@gpd4>
On 11/12/2026 6:47 PM, Andrea Righi wrote:
>>>> Ah! we now have consistent cross-class wakeup_preempt calls. If we have
>>>> the following scenario:
>>>>
>>>> - only EXT tasks
>>>> - balance_ext(), moves task from global DSQ to local DSQ
>>>> - wakeup FAIR
>>>> wakeup_preempt
>>>> if (sched_class_above(p->sched_class, rq->next_class))
>>>> rq->next_class->wakeup_preempt(rq, p, flags)
>>>> // could move task back to global DSQ
>>>
>>> This part I'm slightly confused about (on tip:sched/core):
>>>
>>> prev was RT
>>>
>>> pick_task_scx()
>>> do_pick_task_scx()
>>>
>>> rq_modified_begin(rq, &ext_sched_class);
>>>
>>> dispatch_pick()
>>> dispatch_one()
>>> ops.acquire() <-- CPU is back in control of ext
>>>
>>> /* Pulls a task to local DSQ */
>>>
>>> /* A new RT task wakes up */
>>>
>>> if (!force_scx && rq_modified_above(rq, &ext_sched_class)) /* True for normal pick */
>>> return RETRY_TASK;
>>>
>>> ... goes and picks next RT task
>>>
>>>
>>> The ops.release() is only called when put_prev_task_scx() sees next of
>>> higher class which means the local dispatch from the pick stays that
>>> way until it is picked to run.
>>>
>>> So, the question is, should balance_ext() do anything more than what
>>> pick is doing today to pull the task if local DSQ is empty? Am I
>>> missing something?
>>
>> Aah, wakeup_preempt_scx() already does what it needed here. See how it
>> calls scx_schedule_reenq_local() when p's sched class isn't ext.
>
> Right, keep in mind that ops.cpu_acquire()/cpu_release() are deprecated,
> the balance-to-pick gap was one of the reasons for deprecating them in
> a3f5d48222532 ("sched_ext: Allow scx_bpf_reenqueue_local() to be called
> from anywhere").
>
> Specifically, wakeup_preempt_scx() handles SCX_ENQ_IMMED tasks: tasks
> that, once inserted into a local DSQ, they must either start running
> immediately or be reenqueued back to the BPF scheduler through
> ops.enqueue(). If the CPU is unavailable because a higher class takes
> precedence, they must not remain waiting on that local DSQ. The
> scx_schedule_reenq_local() schedules this deferred reenqueuing.
>
> So, from a sched_ext perspective, we don't need an ops.cpu_release()
> notification to handle this higher-class wakeup race, since the existing
> IMMED reenqueue mechanism already covers it. Separating balance and pick
> should be possible provided rq->next_class tracking and the existing
> IMMED reenqueue checks are preserved.
Thank you both for the detailed explanation. I was under the impression
that ops.acquire(), opes.release() is still the norm but the
wakeup_preempt_scx() -> scx_schedule_reenq_local() path should allow
handling higher class wakeup during balance_prev().
--
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-13 3:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-07 11:59 [PATCH v2 00/12] sched: core-sched fixes and balancing Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] sched/core: Fix pick_next_task() self recursion Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 0:30 ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 10:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] sched/core: Introduce rq_drop_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-08 9:25 ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 10:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] sched/core: Decompose update_rq_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] sched/core: Make __update_rq_clock() skip updates on UPDATED Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 1:11 ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 10:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 12:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 17:08 ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] sched/core: Abstract/fix rq_clock_start_loop_update() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-08 22:26 ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 9:10 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-11-11 9:51 ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 16:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] sched/core: New rq_{pin,drop,repin,unpin}_lock() semantics Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 10:41 ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] sched/core: Simplify/fix time updates Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] sched/core: Allow newidle for core-sched Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] sched/rt: Add early exit on balance path Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] sched/fair: Reflow pick_task_fair() / newidle Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 11:02 ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 12:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] sched/fair: Push sched_balance_newidle() unlock down Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] sched: Remove sched_class::balance() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 11:18 ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 13:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 14:57 ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 15:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 16:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 18:53 ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-12 6:46 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-11-12 9:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-12 10:17 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-11-12 10:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-12 13:17 ` Andrea Righi
2026-11-13 2:34 ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2026-11-11 11:46 ` [PATCH v2 00/12] sched: core-sched fixes and balancing Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 13:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
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