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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: <mingo@kernel.org>, <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	<vincent.guittot@linaro.org>, <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	<rostedt@goodmis.org>, <bsegall@google.com>, <mgorman@suse.de>,
	<vschneid@redhat.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<tj@kernel.org>, <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/12] sched: Remove sched_class::balance()
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 08:04:11 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f0f320a-a718-4df8-922b-a3187861d6f8@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avW8dhhssAucmErt@gpd4>

On 11/12/2026 6:47 PM, Andrea Righi wrote:
>>>> Ah! we now have consistent cross-class wakeup_preempt calls. If we have
>>>> the following scenario:
>>>>
>>>>   - only EXT tasks
>>>>   - balance_ext(), moves task from global DSQ to local DSQ
>>>>   - wakeup FAIR
>>>>       wakeup_preempt
>>>>         if (sched_class_above(p->sched_class, rq->next_class))
>>>> 	  rq->next_class->wakeup_preempt(rq, p, flags)
>>>> 	    // could move task back to global DSQ
>>>
>>> This part I'm slightly confused about (on tip:sched/core):
>>>
>>>   prev was RT
>>>
>>>   pick_task_scx()
>>>     do_pick_task_scx()
>>>
>>>       rq_modified_begin(rq, &ext_sched_class);
>>>
>>>       dispatch_pick()
>>>         dispatch_one()
>>>           ops.acquire() <-- CPU is back in control of ext
>>>
>>>           /* Pulls a task to local DSQ */
>>>
>>>           /* A new RT task wakes up */
>>>
>>>       if (!force_scx && rq_modified_above(rq, &ext_sched_class)) /* True for normal pick */
>>> 	return RETRY_TASK;
>>>
>>>   ... goes and picks next RT task
>>>
>>>
>>> The ops.release() is only called when put_prev_task_scx() sees next of
>>> higher class which means the local dispatch from the pick stays that
>>> way until it is picked to run.
>>>
>>> So, the question is, should balance_ext() do anything more than what
>>> pick is doing today to pull the task if local DSQ is empty? Am I
>>> missing something?
>>
>> Aah, wakeup_preempt_scx() already does what it needed here. See how it
>> calls scx_schedule_reenq_local() when p's sched class isn't ext.
> 
> Right, keep in mind that ops.cpu_acquire()/cpu_release() are deprecated,
> the balance-to-pick gap was one of the reasons for deprecating them in
> a3f5d48222532 ("sched_ext: Allow scx_bpf_reenqueue_local() to be called
> from anywhere").
> 
> Specifically, wakeup_preempt_scx() handles SCX_ENQ_IMMED tasks: tasks
> that, once inserted into a local DSQ, they must either start running
> immediately or be reenqueued back to the BPF scheduler through
> ops.enqueue(). If the CPU is unavailable because a higher class takes
> precedence, they must not remain waiting on that local DSQ. The
> scx_schedule_reenq_local() schedules this deferred reenqueuing.
> 
> So, from a sched_ext perspective, we don't need an ops.cpu_release()
> notification to handle this higher-class wakeup race, since the existing
> IMMED reenqueue mechanism already covers it. Separating balance and pick
> should be possible provided rq->next_class tracking and the existing
> IMMED reenqueue checks are preserved.

Thank you both for the detailed explanation. I was under the impression
that ops.acquire(), opes.release() is still the norm but the
wakeup_preempt_scx() -> scx_schedule_reenq_local() path should allow
handling higher class wakeup during balance_prev().

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-13  3:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-07 11:59 [PATCH v2 00/12] sched: core-sched fixes and balancing Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] sched/core: Fix pick_next_task() self recursion Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11  0:30   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 10:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] sched/core: Introduce rq_drop_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-08  9:25   ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 10:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] sched/core: Decompose update_rq_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] sched/core: Make __update_rq_clock() skip updates on UPDATED Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11  1:11   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 10:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 12:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 17:08         ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] sched/core: Abstract/fix rq_clock_start_loop_update() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-08 22:26   ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11  9:10     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-11-11  9:51       ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 16:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] sched/core: New rq_{pin,drop,repin,unpin}_lock() semantics Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 10:41   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] sched/core: Simplify/fix time updates Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] sched/core: Allow newidle for core-sched Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] sched/rt: Add early exit on balance path Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] sched/fair: Reflow pick_task_fair() / newidle Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 11:02   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 12:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] sched/fair: Push sched_balance_newidle() unlock down Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] sched: Remove sched_class::balance() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 11:18   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 13:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 13:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 14:57         ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 15:47           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 16:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 18:53               ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-12  6:46   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-11-12  9:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-12 10:17       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-11-12 10:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-12 13:17           ` Andrea Righi
2026-11-13  2:34             ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2026-11-11 11:46 ` [PATCH v2 00/12] sched: core-sched fixes and balancing Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 13:57   ` Peter Zijlstra

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