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From: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
To: Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>,
	John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 bpf@vger.kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Wen Yang <wen.yang@linux.dev>,
	Tobias Schaffner <tobias.schaffner@siemens.com>,
	Viktor Malik <vmalik@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/15] tools/rv: Add BPF monitors
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:46:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <631896ae8e44ed6356c3b79598a2facee8af9770.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ecdjqxnr.fsf@yellow.woof>

On Wed, 2026-10-21 at 10:13 +0200, Nam Cao wrote:
> John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de> writes:
> > On 2026-10-19, Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de> wrote:
> > > John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de> writes:
> > > > @namcao: Maybe you could chime in if you want the transitions as events.
> > > 
> > > No. Those are only useful for debugging RV itself and do not need to be
> > > upstream.
> > 
> > Sure, but debugging RV itself _is_ a use case. Especially when RV moves
> > to eBPF and lots of people will start writing their own RV monitors.
> 
> Right.
> 
> I wouldn't enable those by default though, it's way too much noises. As
> it's for debugging the model, we can have some sort of compile-time
> switch to turn it on.

That's almost what's happening already, in-kernel use tracepoints, gated by
static branches. Those are the closest thing you can get to a dynamic compile-
time switch (assuming such a thing can exist), it's patching the code.

BPF gets even closer to the concept, we use a volatile const flag, which is
constant for the JIT runtime but volatile for the compiler (not compiled out
when generating byte code). Before loading we set the value we want in the
object and the JIT compiler wipes away the unused branches.

But technicalities aside, we probably want tracepoints for events too, so
bpf_printk or whatever else.

Gabriele


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-01 15:20 [PATCH v2 00/15] rv: Add support for " Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] sched: Add task enqueue/dequeue trace points Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02  7:09     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02 10:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02 11:55         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02 19:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02 19:40             ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-04  7:57             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 11:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-04  7:45         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 11:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] tools/rv: Skip empty pid error in selftest if command failed Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] rv: Refactor da_trace() functions to get strings internally Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] rv: Cast result of model_get_*_name() Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-13  6:14   ` Nam Cao
2026-10-13  8:15     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-14  9:52     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-14 10:02       ` Nam Cao
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] tools/rv: Move argument parsing from in_kernel to utils Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:25   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] tools/build: Add a feature test for bpftool-btf Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor discovery and listing Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor loading and tracing Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] tools/rv: Copy stripped bpf_atomic.h from libarena Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-07 12:59   ` Nam Cao
2026-10-08  9:00     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-08 11:16       ` Nam Cao
2026-10-09 10:09         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-11  0:43           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12  7:43             ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] tools/rv: Add BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-06 13:29   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-08  9:54     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-16 18:32       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-16 19:20         ` John Ogness
2026-10-17 10:42           ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-17 15:17             ` John Ogness
2026-10-17 16:09               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-17 16:56                 ` John Ogness
2026-10-17 23:25                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-18 12:10                     ` John Ogness
2026-10-19  9:05                       ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-19  9:27                         ` John Ogness
2026-10-19  9:46                           ` Tomas Glozar
2026-10-19 13:16                           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-19 10:01                         ` Tomas Glozar
2026-10-19 10:43                           ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-19 11:05                             ` Tomas Glozar
2026-10-19 12:47                               ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-19 13:05                                 ` Tomas Glozar
2026-10-21  7:26                                   ` Nam Cao
2026-10-19 13:02                               ` John Ogness
2026-10-20  7:29                                 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-21  8:01                                   ` Nam Cao
2026-10-19  8:33               ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-19  9:10                 ` John Ogness
2026-10-19 10:48                   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-19 12:51                   ` Nam Cao
2026-10-19 13:14                     ` John Ogness
2026-10-21  8:13                       ` Nam Cao
2026-10-21  8:46                         ` Gabriele Monaco [this message]
2026-10-17 10:48         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] tools/rv: Define CONFIG_X86_64 statically for " Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] tools/rv: Add reactors support to " Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] verification/rvgen: Add support for " Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:25   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] tools/rv: Add selftest for rv bpf monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] verification/rvgen: Add selftest for rvgen -b Gabriele Monaco

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