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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Kyle McMartin <jkkm@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sched/rt: Have RT_PUSH_IPI be default off for non PREEMPT_RT
Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 12:27:12 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agedwG-ZQNCrBDdn@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260515145608.2039b4cf@gandalf.local.home>

Hello,

On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 02:56:08PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> I just want to make sure that my analysis is correct. Since only one CPU
> can initiate the RT_PUSH_IPI. That for this to be a problem, other CPUs
> need to be constantly running RT tasks for short periods of time so that
> when the RT task schedules off the CPU, the CPU then initiates the "pull".
> And it's not that it happens all at once. It's more serialized where the RT
> tasks are scheduling off at different times to constantly feed the
> RT_PUSH_IPI logic without seeing that it's already in place.
> 
> It would require this to happen enough times to keep the overloaded CPU
> from finishing the softirq until a time when the softirq is scheduled
> again. And it would maintain this abuse for long enough to trigger the
> watchdog.
> 
> Does that fit the scenario of your environment?

Yeah, I think that's coming from the FIFO threaded irq handling for mpi3mr.
We tried two mitigations - one dropping the irq threads to SCHED_OTHER and
NO_RT_PUSH_IPI. Both worked. While the former is not conclusive in itself,
it is in line with the theory at least.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-15 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-15 14:37 Steven Rostedt
2026-05-15 17:17 ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-15 18:38   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-05-15 18:47     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-15 18:56       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-05-15 22:27         ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2026-05-18  8:47 ` Valentin Schneider
2026-05-20  6:33   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-05-20 16:52     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-05-20 17:04       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-05-20 18:09         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-20 19:02           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-05-20 19:37             ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-21 10:11     ` Valentin Schneider
2026-05-20  8:33 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Steven Rostedt

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