From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
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Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>, Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Honor asymmetric SMT priority in idle selection
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2026 22:49:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqB05WpYBcZfIZYQ@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ce287aa0-0079-4cfd-b330-6b7617f49e8a@amd.com>
Hi Prateek,
On Wed, Sep 09, 2026 at 01:10:48AM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> Hello Andrea,
>
> On 9/8/2026 1:53 PM, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > @@ -9747,8 +9796,10 @@ select_task_rq_fair(struct task_struct *p, int prev_cpu, int wake_flags)
> > }
> >
> > /* Slow path */
> > - if (unlikely(sd))
> > - return sched_balance_find_dst_cpu(sd, p, cpu, prev_cpu, sd_flag);
> > + if (unlikely(sd)) {
> > + new_cpu = sched_balance_find_dst_cpu(sd, p, cpu, prev_cpu, sd_flag);
> > + return select_idle_smt_cpu(p, new_cpu);
>
> nit. I personally feel this can be better integrated into the
> sched_balance_find_dst_cpu(). Something like the following:
>
> (Only build tested)
>
> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> index b8bd308c2d5b..1012dfb33f08 100644
> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> @@ -12353,6 +12353,17 @@ static inline void update_sg_wakeup_stats(struct sched_domain *sd,
>
> }
>
> + /*
> + * If we are on a SD_SHARE_CPUCAPACITY | SD_ASYM_PACKING
> + * domain, use the group_asym_packing classification to
> + * decide placement based on rankings of idle siblings.
> + */
> + if (unlikely(sched_smt_asym_active() &&
> + (sd->flags & SD_SHARE_CPUCAPACITY) &&
> + (sd->flags & SD_ASYM_PACKING) &&
> + sgs->idle_cpus))
> + sgs->group_asym_packing = 1;
Integrating the preference in the slow-path selection sounds appealing, but I
don't think group_asym_packing can be used as a destination classificaiton here.
The intended policy is to prefer PE0 over PE1 when both siblings of the selected
SMT core are idle. And if PE0 is busy, PE1 should remain a valid destination. It
shouldn't make a busy PE0 preferable to an idle PE1.
IIUC group_type is ordered for busiest-group selection, group_asym_packing
describes a source group whole load should be moved to a "more preferred" CPU.
Marking an idle SMT group as group_asym_packing could make it rank worse than a
fully busy group.
Example: a fork on SMT2 can have the busy local PE0 classified as
group_has_spare or group_fully_busy, while the idle PE1 is forced to
group_asym_packing, sched_balance_find_dst_group() can then consider the busy
local group the better destination and stack the new task on PE0. That may
preserve one-thread mode for a short task, but it can also reduce throughput for
sustained work.
> +
> sgs->group_capacity = group->sgc->capacity;
>
> sgs->group_weight = group->group_weight;
> @@ -12393,9 +12404,15 @@ static bool update_pick_idlest(struct sched_group *idlest,
> return false;
> break;
>
> + case group_asym_packing:
> + /*
> + * Only possible for sched_smt_asym_active().
> + * Select the idle SMT that is more preferred.
> + */
> + return sched_asym_prefer(idlest->asym_prefer_cpu,
> + group->asym_prefer_cpu);
update_pick_idlest() returns true when @group should replace @idlest, so I think
the operands would need to be reversed.
But even with that, the local-versus-idlest comparison still returns NULL when
both sides are group_asym_packing. Therefore, if the slow path initially lands
on an idle PE1 while PE0 is also idle, it would not switch to PE0.
> case group_llc_balance:
> case group_imbalanced:
> - case group_asym_packing:
> case group_smt_balance:
> /* Those types are not used in the slow wakeup path */
> return false;
> ---
>
> It leads to slightly more branches but they are super predictable when
> iterating at a particular sched_domain level so the overhead should be
> negligible.
>
> I don't have any strong feelings either ways. Thoughts?
A deeper integration could preserve the normal group_has_spare classification
and use SMT priority only as a tie-breaker between otherwise equivalent
available siblings. It'd also need to handle the local-versus-idlest comparison
and preserve choose_idle_cpu() semantics I think.
For now, applying select_idle_smt_cpu() after the existing slow-path selection
seems simpler. It lets the existing load and capacity logic choose the core
first, then applies the preference only among available siblings within that
core.
Thanks,
-Andrea
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-08 20:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-08 8:23 [PATCH v4 0/2] sched: Enable preferred SMT siblings on NVIDIA Olympus Andrea Righi
2026-09-08 8:23 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm64: topology: Prefer PE0 on NVIDIA Olympus SMT cores Andrea Righi
2026-09-08 20:09 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-08 20:57 ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-08 8:23 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Honor asymmetric SMT priority in idle selection Andrea Righi
2026-09-08 19:40 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-08 20:49 ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-09-09 6:32 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-09 14:42 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-09-09 15:18 ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-09 15:42 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-09-09 16:22 ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-09 7:20 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] sched: Enable preferred SMT siblings on NVIDIA Olympus Dietmar Eggemann
2026-09-09 7:26 ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-09 12:39 ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-11 13:53 ` Dietmar Eggemann
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-09-09 6:26 [PATCH v5 " Andrea Righi
2026-09-09 6:26 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Honor asymmetric SMT priority in idle selection Andrea Righi
2026-09-11 14:11 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-09-07 16:30 [PATCH v3 0/2] sched: Enable preferred SMT siblings on NVIDIA Olympus Andrea Righi
2026-09-07 16:30 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Honor asymmetric SMT priority in idle selection Andrea Righi
2026-09-04 9:18 [PATCH v2 0/2] sched: Enable preferred SMT siblings on NVIDIA Olympus Andrea Righi
2026-09-04 9:18 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Honor asymmetric SMT priority in idle selection Andrea Righi
2026-09-07 3:57 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-07 9:11 ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-07 9:40 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-07 9:50 ` Andrea Righi
2026-09-07 16:48 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-09-08 5:37 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2026-09-08 6:12 ` Andrea Righi
2026-08-31 18:10 [PATCH 0/2] sched: Enable preferred SMT siblings on NVIDIA Olympus Andrea Righi
2026-08-31 18:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: Honor asymmetric SMT priority in idle selection Andrea Righi
2026-09-03 10:59 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-09-04 5:59 ` Andrea Righi
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