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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 03/13] rcu-tasks: Add a Tasks RCU implementation for reader-marked trampolines
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 14:14:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqvZwfUVsiEI7q7y@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8b73e1b3-0580-4ba9-b2e0-6363e429808d@paulmck-laptop>

Le Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 08:41:36AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 05:23:31PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 07:55:02AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> > > Perhaps in rcu_core() in kernels booted with use_softirq?  I am thinking
> > > specifically of the checks for deferred quiescent states.  I don't (yet)
> > > see a need to modify rcu_check_quiescent_state().
> > > 
> > > Maybe other places as well.  ;-)
> > 
> > Hmm this tracking would have to happen on preempt_schedule() just like we
> > do for PREEMPT_RCU. Or am I missing something? And then we would need a
> > list scan of those tasks.
> 
> I am thinking of the case where a trampoline is interrupted before entering
> (or after leaving) its RCU Tasks Trace read-side critical section.  Then
> there is a softirq handler on the back of that interrupt handler, and
> RCU_SOFTIRQ is invoked, calling rcu_core().  Specifically:
> 
> 	/* Report any deferred quiescent states if preemption enabled. */
> 	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PREEMPT_COUNT) && (!(preempt_count() & PREEMPT_MASK))) {
> 		rcu_preempt_deferred_qs(current);
> 	} else if (rcu_preempt_need_deferred_qs(current)) {
> 		guard(irqsave)();
> 		set_need_resched_current();
> 	}
> 
> Preemption is enabled, but we should not report a quiescent state because
> we have interrupted a trampoline.  Correct?

Right!
 
> > Or we can build the blocked task list handling, that we already have for PREEMPT_RCU,
> > when CONFIG_RCU_TASKS && !CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU. We would just only add tasks when
> > preempted in .text.rcu_no_qs since rcu_read_lock() would still disable
> > preemption on normal explicit readers. So I wouldn't expect more overhead due to
> > that blocked list tracking built since it would rarely track tasks.
> 
> Yes, we could avoid the list of tasks by treating the preemption within
> the trampoline the same as preemption within an RCU read-side critical
> section, but there might not be an rcu_read_unlock() to clean up.
> Which could be a problem.

Ah yes, good point.

> 
> Trampolines that transfer control to tracing code could supply the needed
> cleanup call.  But last I checked, there were trampolines that transferred
> directly back to the original code, with no opportunity for cleaning up.
> 
> Or am I still missing a trick here?

You're right. So we'll indeed need to reuse the deferred qs points here.

Thanks.

-- 
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-17 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-15 13:17 [PATCH RFC v3 00/13] rcu-tasks: build Tasks RCU on Tasks Trace readers in trampolines Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/13] entry: Pass pt_regs to irqentry_exit_cond_resched() Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/13] rcu-tasks-trace: Inline rcu_read_lock_trace() and annotate inside the reader Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/13] rcu-tasks: Add a Tasks RCU implementation for reader-marked trampolines Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 15:14   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-15 23:56     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-16 12:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 14:26         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-16 14:35           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 14:47             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 14:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-16 15:23                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 15:41                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-17 12:14                     ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-09-17 15:40                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-17 16:35                         ` Josef Bacik
2026-09-17 16:55                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/13] kprobes: Expose the optprobe jump window to Tasks RCU Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/13] ftrace: Mark modules hosting direct-call trampolines for " Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/13] bpf: Take a Tasks Trace reader in the trampoline glue Josef Bacik
2026-09-16  3:45   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-17  1:16     ` Josef Bacik
2026-09-17  2:24       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/13] x86/ftrace: Take a Tasks Trace reader around ftrace_caller's call-out Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/13] x86/kprobes: Take a Tasks Trace reader in the optprobe template Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/13] arm64: ftrace: Take a Tasks Trace reader around ftrace_caller's call-out Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/13] samples: ftrace: Make the direct-call trampolines Tasks Trace readers Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/13] rcutorture: Make Tasks RCU readers Tasks Trace readers where required Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/13] rcu-tasks-trace: Assert no reader is held on return to userspace Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/13] x86, arm64: Build Tasks RCU on Tasks Trace readers in trampolines Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci

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