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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 03/13] rcu-tasks: Add a Tasks RCU implementation for reader-marked trampolines
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 17:14:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqlgxKGk_AEKls_1@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260915-b4-rcu-tasks-preempt-qs-v3-3-0ad30c4c5ee7@toxicpanda.com>

Le Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 01:17:30PM +0000, Josef Bacik a écrit :
> Tasks RCU waits for every task to pass through a voluntary context
> switch, usermode or idle, because a preempted task might be sitting in a
> trampoline that is about to be freed and nothing marks it as such.  With
> PREEMPT_LAZY that is a poor fit for servers: cond_resched() is a no-op,
> so a CPU-bound kthread only ever leaves the CPU by preemption, and one
> such kthread holds every synchronize_rcu_tasks() caller -- ftrace and
> BPF trampoline teardown under their mutexes, the kprobe jump optimizer
> under text_mutex and cpus_read_lock() -- hostage for as long as it runs.
> 
> Following the discussion on v2, take the other road: let the
> architecture make its trampolines Tasks Trace RCU readers.  When an
> architecture selects HAVE_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS it promises that every
> trampoline whose lifetime Tasks RCU guards enters rcu_read_lock_trace()
> (or its assembly equivalent) before calling out and leaves it before
> returning, so a task anywhere inside such a call-out, preempted or not,
> is an ordinary Tasks Trace reader.
> 
> That leaves the few instructions of trampoline text before the reader
> is entered and after it is left (plus, in a later patch, the bytes a
> kprobe jump optimization is about to overwrite).  A task can only linger
> there by being interrupted there, and such text never calls anything
> that schedules, so instead of tracking tasks we track CPUs: every pass
> through __schedule() is a per-CPU quiescent event, except that the one
> context switch that can catch a task at an arbitrary instruction -- a
> preemption from irq exit -- first records the interrupted IP in the task
> and parks it on a per-CPU list for the duration (reusing the fields and
> lists the classic flavor keeps for its exit-path bookkeeping), and, if
> the IP is inside such "unmarked" text, puts the task on a short holdout
> list; the task takes itself off at its next context switch outside such
> a preemption or irq-exit check that finds it elsewhere.  Usermode (the
> existing tick hook, or a nohz_full CPU in an RCU extended quiescent
> state) and idle count as well.  rcu_tasks_trampoline_text() does the
> classification: anything outside core and module text, a new
> .text..rcu_tramp section for C glue that trampolines call before it has
> entered the reader (__rcu_trampoline), and an arch hook for things like
> static ftrace stubs and return thunks.
> 
> The grace period, run by the existing rcu_tasks kthread so that
> call_rcu_tasks(), synchronize_rcu_tasks() and rcu_barrier_tasks() keep
> their names and callers, is: wait for every online non-idle CPU to
> context switch (nudging stragglers with resched_cpu() after a jiffy),
> drain the holdout list as it stood, synchronize_rcu_tasks_trace() for
> everything inside the readers, then one more CPU pass and drain for
> tasks that have since left the reader into the trailing instructions.
> That is bounded by a few jiffies, preempt-off latency and an SRCU grace
> period rather than by the longest stretch any task runs without
> sleeping, needs no per-task scan, and makes cond_resched_tasks_rcu_qs()
> unnecessary on such architectures.  As before, idle tasks are not
> waited for.  rcu_tasks_wait_irq_preempted() walks the parked lists for
> the one caller (the kprobe jump optimizer, later in the series) that
> makes ordinary text unsafe to be parked in and so has to wait out tasks
> that were preempted there before it said so.
> 
> The classic implementation is untouched and remains the default; the
> new one is built only as CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS when the
> architecture opts in and uses the generic irq entry code, whose
> reschedule check gains the rcu_tasks_irq_resched() call.  Nothing
> selects it yet.
> 
> Suggested-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> Suggested-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
> Assisted-by: LLM
> Signed-off-by: Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>
> ---
>  include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h |  11 +
>  include/linux/rcupdate.h          |  32 ++-
>  include/linux/sched.h             |   1 +
>  kernel/entry/common.c             |   8 +-
>  kernel/fork.c                     |   1 +
>  kernel/rcu/Kconfig                |  22 ++
>  kernel/rcu/tasks.h                | 460 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  kernel/rcu/update.c               |   2 +
>  8 files changed, 528 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
> index b2988aa12f66..86e58c4fe370 100644
> --- a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
> +++ b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
> @@ -571,6 +571,16 @@
>  		__cpuidle_text_end = .;					\
>  		__noinstr_text_end = .;
>  
> +/*
> + * C glue called directly from Tasks-RCU-protected trampolines, bounded so
> + * that rcu_tasks_trampoline_text() can recognise it; see __rcu_trampoline.
> + */
> +#define RCU_TRAMP_TEXT							\
> +		ALIGN_FUNCTION();					\
> +		__rcu_tramp_text_start = .;				\
> +		*(.text..rcu_tramp)					\
> +		__rcu_tramp_text_end = .;
> +
>  #define TEXT_SPLIT							\
>  		__split_text_start = .;					\
>  		*(.text.split .text.split.[0-9a-zA-Z_]*)		\
> @@ -607,6 +617,7 @@
>  		TEXT_HOT						\
>  		*(TEXT_MAIN .text.fixup)				\
>  		NOINSTR_TEXT						\
> +		RCU_TRAMP_TEXT						\
>  		*(.ref.text)
>  
>  /* sched.text is aling to function alignment to secure we have same
> diff --git a/include/linux/rcupdate.h b/include/linux/rcupdate.h
> index 44c07a66edff..fb2a3889a696 100644
> --- a/include/linux/rcupdate.h
> +++ b/include/linux/rcupdate.h
> @@ -50,6 +50,31 @@ token_context_lock_instance(RCU, RCU_BH);
>  /* Exported common interfaces */
>  void call_rcu(struct rcu_head *head, rcu_callback_t func);
>  void rcu_barrier_tasks(void);
> +
> +/*
> + * Trampoline-reader Tasks RCU (CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS), see
> + * kernel/rcu/tasks.h.  rcu_tasks_irq_resched_enter()/_exit() bracket the
> + * irq-exit preemption; rcu_tasks_trampoline_text() and the arch_ override
> + * classify an interrupted IP; rcu_tasks_wait_irq_preempted() lets a caller
> + * wait out tasks already preempted somewhere it is about to make unsafe.
> + * __rcu_trampoline places C code that such trampolines call directly, before
> + * it has entered its Tasks Trace reader, where that classification can see it.
> + */
> +void rcu_tasks_irq_resched_enter(unsigned long ip);
> +void rcu_tasks_irq_resched_exit(void);
> +bool rcu_tasks_trampoline_text(unsigned long ip);
> +bool arch_rcu_tasks_trampoline_text(unsigned long ip);
> +#ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS
> +void rcu_tasks_wait_irq_preempted(bool (*inside)(unsigned long ip));
> +#else
> +static inline void rcu_tasks_wait_irq_preempted(bool (*inside)(unsigned long ip)) { }
> +#endif
> +#ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS
> +/* Also keeps instrumentation calls out of the prologue, ahead of the reader. */
> +#define __rcu_trampoline	__noinstr_section(".text..rcu_tramp")
> +#else
> +#define __rcu_trampoline
> +#endif
>  void synchronize_rcu(void);
>  
>  /*
> @@ -180,11 +205,16 @@ static inline void rcu_nocb_flush_deferred_wakeup(void) { }
>  #ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_GENERIC
>  
>  # ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU
> -# define rcu_tasks_classic_qs(t, preempt)				\
> +#  ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS
> +void rcu_tasks_note_qs(struct task_struct *t, bool preempt);
> +#  define rcu_tasks_classic_qs(t, preempt) rcu_tasks_note_qs((t), (preempt))
> +#  else
> +#  define rcu_tasks_classic_qs(t, preempt)				\
>  	do {								\
>  		if (!(preempt) && READ_ONCE((t)->rcu_tasks_holdout))	\
>  			WRITE_ONCE((t)->rcu_tasks_holdout, false);	\
>  	} while (0)
> +#  endif
>  void call_rcu_tasks(struct rcu_head *head, rcu_callback_t func);
>  void synchronize_rcu_tasks(void);
>  void rcu_tasks_torture_stats_print(char *tt, char *tf);
> diff --git a/include/linux/sched.h b/include/linux/sched.h
> index 8b3d47a325cc..15beb44caa2c 100644
> --- a/include/linux/sched.h
> +++ b/include/linux/sched.h
> @@ -957,6 +957,7 @@ struct task_struct {
>  	u8				rcu_tasks_holdout;
>  	u8				rcu_tasks_idx;
>  	int				rcu_tasks_idle_cpu;
> +	unsigned long			rcu_tasks_irq_ip;
>  	struct list_head		rcu_tasks_holdout_list;
>  	int				rcu_tasks_exit_cpu;
>  	struct list_head		rcu_tasks_exit_list;
> diff --git a/kernel/entry/common.c b/kernel/entry/common.c
> index e4acd50bd81a..94318519998c 100644
> --- a/kernel/entry/common.c
> +++ b/kernel/entry/common.c
> @@ -6,6 +6,7 @@
>  #include <linux/jump_label.h>
>  #include <linux/kmsan.h>
>  #include <linux/livepatch.h>
> +#include <linux/rcupdate.h>
>  #include <linux/resume_user_mode.h>
>  #include <linux/tick.h>
>  
> @@ -141,8 +142,13 @@ void raw_irqentry_exit_cond_resched(struct pt_regs *regs)
>  		rcu_irq_exit_check_preempt();
>  		if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_DEBUG_ENTRY))
>  			WARN_ON_ONCE(!on_thread_stack());
> -		if (need_resched() && arch_irqentry_exit_need_resched())
> +		if (need_resched() && arch_irqentry_exit_need_resched()) {
> +			if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS))
> +				rcu_tasks_irq_resched_enter(instruction_pointer(regs));
>  			preempt_schedule_irq();
> +			if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS))
> +				rcu_tasks_irq_resched_exit();
> +		}
>  	}
>  }
>  #ifdef CONFIG_PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
> diff --git a/kernel/fork.c b/kernel/fork.c
> index 416758c8a3d4..8077336bb136 100644
> --- a/kernel/fork.c
> +++ b/kernel/fork.c
> @@ -1871,6 +1871,7 @@ static inline void rcu_copy_process(struct task_struct *p)
>  	p->rcu_tasks_holdout = false;
>  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&p->rcu_tasks_holdout_list);
>  	p->rcu_tasks_idle_cpu = -1;
> +	p->rcu_tasks_irq_ip = 0;
>  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&p->rcu_tasks_exit_list);
>  #endif /* #ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU */
>  #ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_TRACE_RCU
> diff --git a/kernel/rcu/Kconfig b/kernel/rcu/Kconfig
> index 332df7a7a634..bbab14bc14c3 100644
> --- a/kernel/rcu/Kconfig
> +++ b/kernel/rcu/Kconfig
> @@ -107,6 +107,28 @@ config TASKS_RCU
>  	default NEED_TASKS_RCU && PREEMPTION
>  	select IRQ_WORK
>  
> +config HAVE_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS
> +	bool
> +	help
> +	  Select this if the architecture uses the generic irq entry code and
> +	  every trampoline whose lifetime Tasks RCU guards on it (ftrace
> +	  trampolines, kprobe out-of-line and optimized-probe slots, BPF
> +	  trampolines, out-of-line ftrace direct-call trampolines) enters a
> +	  Tasks Trace RCU read-side critical section before calling out of
> +	  the trampoline and leaves it before returning, and any core text
> +	  that runs on behalf of such a trampoline outside that reader is
> +	  reported by arch_rcu_tasks_trampoline_text().  The assembly readers
> +	  use the this_cpu_inc() form of SRCU-fast, hence !NEED_SRCU_NMI_SAFE.
> +
> +config TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS
> +	def_bool TASKS_RCU && HAVE_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS && GENERIC_IRQ_ENTRY && !NEED_SRCU_NMI_SAFE
> +	select TASKS_TRACE_RCU
> +	help
> +	  Implement the Tasks RCU grace period as a per-CPU pass over
> +	  context switches and irq-exit reschedules outside trampoline text
> +	  plus a Tasks Trace RCU grace period, instead of waiting for every
> +	  task to voluntarily context switch.  See kernel/rcu/tasks.h.
> +
>  config FORCE_TASKS_RUDE_RCU
>  	bool "Force selection of Tasks Rude RCU"
>  	depends on RCU_EXPERT
> diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tasks.h b/kernel/rcu/tasks.h
> index 627295396cd9..3a7c092361a6 100644
> --- a/kernel/rcu/tasks.h
> +++ b/kernel/rcu/tasks.h
> @@ -152,7 +152,7 @@ static struct rcu_tasks rt_name =							\
>  	.kname = #rt_name,								\
>  }
>  
> -#ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU
> +#if defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU) && !defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS)
>  
>  /* Report delay of scan exiting tasklist in rcu_tasks_postscan(). */
>  static void tasks_rcu_exit_stall(struct timer_list *unused);
> @@ -802,7 +802,7 @@ static void rcu_tasks_torture_stats_print_generic(struct rcu_tasks *rtp, char *t
>  
>  #endif // #ifndef CONFIG_TINY_RCU
>  
> -#if defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU)
> +#if defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU) && !defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS)
>  
>  ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>  //
> @@ -897,10 +897,445 @@ static void rcu_tasks_wait_gp(struct rcu_tasks *rtp)
>  	rtp->postgp_func(rtp);
>  }
>  
> -#endif /* #if defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU) */
> +#endif /* #if defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU) && !defined(CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS) */
>  
>  #ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU
>  
> +static int rcu_tasks_lazy_ms = -1;
> +module_param(rcu_tasks_lazy_ms, int, 0444);
> +
> +#ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS
> +
> +////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> +//
> +// Tasks RCU for architectures whose trampolines are Tasks Trace RCU
> +// readers (CONFIG_HAVE_RCU_TRAMPOLINE_READERS).
> +//
> +// On these architectures every piece of text whose lifetime Tasks RCU
> +// guards -- ftrace trampolines, kprobe optinsn slots, BPF trampoline
> +// images, out-of-line ftrace direct-call trampolines -- enters a Tasks
> +// Trace RCU read-side critical section before calling out of itself and
> +// leaves it before returning, so a task anywhere inside such a call-out,
> +// preempted or not, is an ordinary rcu_read_lock_trace() reader and
> +// synchronize_rcu_tasks_trace() waits for it.
> +//
> +// What that cannot cover is the handful of instructions in the trampoline
> +// before the reader is entered and after it is left, and the one user that
> +// has no trampoline at all: the bytes after a kprobe that the jump
> +// optimizer is about to overwrite.  A task can only linger in such
> +// "unmarked" text by being interrupted there; unmarked text never calls
> +// anything that could schedule.  So a context switch on a CPU tells us that
> +// whatever that CPU was running is out of unmarked text, with one
> +// exception: a preemption from the irq-exit path, which can happen at any
> +// instruction boundary.  That path has the interrupted pt_regs in hand, so
> +// just before it preempts it records the IP in the task and checks it
> +// (rcu_tasks_trampoline_text()); if it is inside unmarked text the task
> +// goes on a short holdout list first, and takes itself off again at its
> +// next context switch outside such a preemption or its next irq-exit
> +// check that finds it elsewhere.  With that, every pass through
> +// __schedule() is a per-CPU quiescent event, as are usermode and idle.
> +//
> +// A grace period is then:
> +//
> +//  1. Wait for every online, non-idle CPU to context switch, nudging
> +//     stragglers with resched_cpu().  Afterwards no task is in the leading
> +//     unmarked instructions of a dying trampoline unless it is on the
> +//     holdout list.
> +//  2. Wait for the holdout list (as it stood) to drain.
> +//  3. synchronize_rcu_tasks_trace(), for everything inside the readers.
> +//  4. Repeat 1 and 2 for tasks that have since left the reader and are in
> +//     the trailing unmarked instructions.

Alternatively the approach could be generalized to vanilla RCU, it could be
possible to define a .text.rcu_no_qs section within which code running is
considered as an RCU reader (with a pause while on the explicit RCU tasks
section). It would be forbidden to voluntary sleep inside
and to put explicit preemption points (CONFIG_PROVE_RCU could report misuses).

Based on IP, RCU could consider those interrupted section as readers. This would
require PREEMPT_RCU though.

And then synchronize_rcu() would do the 1, 2, 4 jobs.

-- 
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-15 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-15 13:17 [PATCH RFC v3 00/13] rcu-tasks: build Tasks RCU on Tasks Trace readers in trampolines Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/13] entry: Pass pt_regs to irqentry_exit_cond_resched() Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/13] rcu-tasks-trace: Inline rcu_read_lock_trace() and annotate inside the reader Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/13] rcu-tasks: Add a Tasks RCU implementation for reader-marked trampolines Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 15:14   ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-09-15 23:56     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-16 12:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 14:26         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-16 14:35           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 14:47             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 14:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-16 15:23                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-16 15:41                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/13] kprobes: Expose the optprobe jump window to Tasks RCU Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/13] ftrace: Mark modules hosting direct-call trampolines for " Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/13] bpf: Take a Tasks Trace reader in the trampoline glue Josef Bacik
2026-09-16  3:45   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/13] x86/ftrace: Take a Tasks Trace reader around ftrace_caller's call-out Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/13] x86/kprobes: Take a Tasks Trace reader in the optprobe template Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/13] arm64: ftrace: Take a Tasks Trace reader around ftrace_caller's call-out Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/13] samples: ftrace: Make the direct-call trampolines Tasks Trace readers Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/13] rcutorture: Make Tasks RCU readers Tasks Trace readers where required Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/13] rcu-tasks-trace: Assert no reader is held on return to userspace Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 13:17 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/13] x86, arm64: Build Tasks RCU on Tasks Trace readers in trampolines Josef Bacik
2026-09-15 14:17   ` bot+bpf-ci

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