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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 13/29] sched/deadline: Keep departing bandwidth across a root domain rebuild
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2026 10:35:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c3e7054a-486c-4e5a-a646-eee42e815ce4@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avRmoK08LoIeySBL@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb>

On 2026-11-11 07:59, Juri Lelli wrote:
Hi Juri,

> It took me a bit of staring to (hopefully) understand better how
> dl_bw_gen works, maybe the following can help others?

It does, thanks. v6 takes your comment as is. I only changed the name
of the function that increments the count: it is
dl_clear_root_domains().

> Maybe additional info can again help (before the above)?

Taken as well.

> Can something like the following happen? And do we actually have a test
> for it?

Yes, it happens at this patch, and there was no test.

dl_task_undepart() forgets the CPU recorded. The end of the boost then
takes X from rd(B). In my run the deboost armed the timer again, and
the timer took X from rd(B) at the 0-lag time. total_bw of rd(B) went
negative, and rd(A) kept X.

The end of the series hides it. Patch 16 replaces dl_departed_cpu with
dl_bw_cpu, and the record survives the boost. So only a kernel stopped
between patches 13 and 15 shows it.

Planned for v6:
- This patch keeps the CPU recorded when a boost takes the task off the
   list. The series then bisects.
- deadline_bw_test gets a case for your scenario, pi_departed_moved.
   It fails on v5 at this patch, and passes on v6 at this patch and at
   the end.

> Wouldn't it be better to move to a single list of accounted tasks
> (current and departed alike), keyed by their recorded home CPU, which
> turns the rebuild from a reconstruction into a re-partition? The
> dl_bw_gen machinery and the cpuset walk would both go away.

I tried it. It works, and the code gets simpler. But it costs
interrupt latency, so I left it out of v6.

What I tried:
- Every task whose bandwidth is accounted is on one list. It joins at
   admission and leaves at the release. A departed task is marked.
- A rebuild clears the root domains and counts the list again under one
   lock. A release or a move sees the accounting before or after it.
- dl_bw_gen goes away, with the walk of the task list (which replaced
   the cpuset walk in patch 15) and dl_add_task_root_domain().

The 75 selftest cases pass with it. One point differs from your
description. The rebuild is not a pure re-partition by the recorded
CPU. A cpuset change sets the masks of the tasks, then rebuilds. A
sleeping task must then be counted where its new mask puts it. So the
rebuild still picks the CPU of a deadline task from its mask, as patch
22 does.

The problem is the lock. A release takes it under the rq lock, so it is
a raw spinlock taken with interrupts disabled. The rebuild has to hold
it from the clear to the last task. Otherwise a release sees a
half-rebuilt accounting, and needs dl_bw_gen again.

Measured in a 64-vCPU guest with sleeping deadline tasks:

   tasks    today: rebuild, longest irqs-off    single list, all irqs-off
   1000     0.75ms, under 0.1ms                 0.12ms (0.19ms worst)
   10000    7.4ms, under 0.1ms (0.3ms once)     0.9ms (1.2ms worst)

The rebuild itself is 8 times shorter. That comes from updating the
extra_bw of the CPUs once per root domain, not once per task. But the
longest section with interrupts disabled grows with the number of
deadline tasks. I do not think that is a step forward for a real-time
class.

The patch is on a branch. I can post it as an RFC after this series if
you want to look at it. A walk that drops the lock every N tasks would
bound the latency, but it needs a per-task marker again.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-11 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-08 18:53 [PATCH v5 00/29] sched/deadline: bandwidth accounting fixes and selftests Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 01/29] sched: Fix cpuset_mutex double unlock in __sched_setscheduler() Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 02/29] sched: Refuse SCHED_FLAG_KEEP_PARAMS that would change the policy or the class Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 03/29] sched/deadline: Do not admit bandwidth for parameters that are kept Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 12:42   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-09 13:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 04/29] sched: Let a task boosted by a deadline waiter change its policy Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 13:38   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 05/29] sched/deadline: Do not divide by zero active CPUs of a root domain Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 14:30   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-09 14:57     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 15:09       ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-09 15:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 06/29] sched: Take cpuset_mutex for a deadline policy change only with pi Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 15:06   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-09 15:22     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 07/29] sched/deadline: Do not lose a throttled task switched out and back Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 16:05   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-09 16:29     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 18:55       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-09 18:56       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 08/29] sched/deadline: Take a deadline boost from the waiter's rt_mutex node Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-10 11:14   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-10 13:48     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 09/29] sched/deadline: Reset the deadline and the runtime with the parameters Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-10 13:18   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-10 13:41     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 10/29] sched/deadline: Reset the donor's runtime at a deboost in the class Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 19:17   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09  2:56     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 11/29] sched/deadline: Release the bandwidth of a task that leaves the class asleep Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-10 19:47   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-10 20:26     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 12/29] sched/deadline: Reject SCHED_DEADLINE on exited tasks Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-11  6:55   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 13/29] sched/deadline: Keep departing bandwidth across a root domain rebuild Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-11 12:59   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-11 15:35     ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 14/29] sched/deadline: Fix this_bw when a task is changed during a remote wakeup Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-11 13:49   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 15/29] sched/deadline: Rebuild the root domains' accounting from the task list Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-11 14:24   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 16/29] sched/deadline: Record the root domain holding a task's bandwidth Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-11 15:54   ` Juri Lelli
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 17/29] sched/deadline: Leave a dying task out of a rebuild of the accounting Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 18/29] sched/deadline: Move a task's bandwidth only where room was made Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 19:30   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09  2:57     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 19/29] cgroup/cpuset: Wait for an attach before rebuilding the sched domains Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 20/29] cgroup/cpuset: Give back the bandwidth an attach did not move Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 21/29] cgroup/cpuset: Reserve the bandwidth in the root domain a task moves to Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 19:32   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09  2:57     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:53 ` [PATCH v5 22/29] sched/deadline: Make a rebuild use the CPU recorded with a task's bandwidth Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 19:25   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09  2:58     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:54 ` [PATCH v5 23/29] sched/deadline: Move a task's bandwidth when it must leave its CPU Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 19:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09  2:58     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:54 ` [PATCH v5 24/29] sched/deadline: Cancel the replenishment timer with the parameters Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:54 ` [PATCH v5 25/29] sched/deadline: Count the bandwidth a boosted task is given Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:54 ` [PATCH v5 26/29] sched/debug: Show the deadline bandwidth of each runqueue Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:54 ` [PATCH v5 27/29] selftests/sched: Add a test of SCHED_DEADLINE policy round trips Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:54 ` [PATCH v5 28/29] selftests/sched: Test SCHED_DEADLINE bandwidth across a root domain rebuild Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-08 18:54 ` [PATCH v5 29/29] selftests/sched: Add a test of SCHED_DEADLINE bandwidth accounting Mathieu Desnoyers

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