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From: Kuyo Chang <kuyo.chang@mediatek.com>
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Ben Segall" <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	AngeloGioacchino Del Regno
	<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>,
	jstultz <jstultz@google.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] sched/deadline: Fix RT task potential starvation when expiry time passed
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:20:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <089882f95b1b910f7feecddd0ad9b17f38394c64.camel@mediatek.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFAyN4rfssKmbUE5@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb>

On Mon, 2025-06-16 at 17:03 +0200, Juri Lelli wrote:
> 
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> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> > 
> > [Proposed Solution]:
> > ------------------
> > Instead of immediately re-enqueuing the DL entity on timer
> > registration
> > failure, this change ensures the DL entity is properly replenished
> > and
> > the timer is restarted, preventing RT potential starvation.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: kuyo chang <kuyo.chang@mediatek.com>
> > ---
> >  kernel/sched/deadline.c | 8 +++++---
> >  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/deadline.c b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
> > index ad45a8fea245..e50cb76c961b 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/deadline.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
> > @@ -1556,10 +1556,12 @@ static void update_curr_dl_se(struct rq
> > *rq, struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se, s64
> >               }
> > 
> >               if (unlikely(is_dl_boosted(dl_se) ||
> > !start_dl_timer(dl_se))) {
> > -                     if (dl_server(dl_se))
> > -                             enqueue_dl_entity(dl_se,
> > ENQUEUE_REPLENISH);
> > -                     else
> > +                     if (dl_server(dl_se)) {
> > +                             replenish_dl_new_period(dl_se, rq);
> > +                             start_dl_timer(dl_se);
> 
> But, even today, enqueue_dl_entity() is called with ENQUEUE_REPLENISH
> flag, so I don't get why you say 're-enqueues the DL entity without
> properly replenishing'.
> 
> Also, why restarting the replenishing timer right after having
> replenished the entity?
> 

When dl_defer_running = 1 and the running time has been exhausted, 
it means that the dl_server should stop at this point.
However, if start_dl_timer() returns a failure, it indicates that the
actual time spent consuming the running time was unexpectedly long. 
 
At this point, there are two options:
[as-is] 1. re-enqueuing the dl entity with ENQUEUE_REPLENISH will clear
the throttled flag 
and re-enqueue the dl entity to keep the fair_server running. 
enqueue_dl_entity(dl_se, ENQUEUE_REPLENISH);
=> replenish_dl_entity
  => replenish_dl_new_period(dl_se, rq);
  => dl_se->dl_yielded = 0;
  => dl_se->dl_throttled = 0;
=> __enqueue_dl_entity(dl_se);

[to-be] 2. To avoid RT latency, the fair_server should remain throttled
while replenishing the dl_se. 
Once replenishing is complete, we can ensure that a timer is
successfully started. 
When the timer is triggered, the throttled state will be cleared,
ensuring that RT tasks can execute during this interval.
 
It is a policy decision for dealing with the case of failure in
start_dl_timer().
The second approach is better for real-time (RT) latency in my opinion,
as RT tasks must be prioritized.

> Thanks,
> Juri
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-18 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-15 13:10 Kuyo Chang
2025-06-16 15:03 ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-18 14:20   ` Kuyo Chang [this message]
2025-06-19 13:13     ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-20  3:00       ` Kuyo Chang
2025-06-20 15:22         ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-21  2:55           ` Kuyo Chang
2025-07-23 22:22             ` Pierce Wen (溫彥翔)
2025-07-24  8:23               ` juri.lelli
2025-07-30 10:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-07-31 15:00   ` Christian Loehle
2025-08-15  4:35   ` Jiri Slaby
2025-08-20 12:57   ` Diederik de Haas
2025-08-27  6:45 ` [tip: sched/urgent] " tip-bot2 for kuyo chang

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