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From: "juri.lelli@redhat.com" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
To: "Pierce Wen (溫彥翔)" <Pierce.Wen@mediatek.com>
Cc: "Kuyo Chang (張建文)" <Kuyo.Chang@mediatek.com>,
	"bsegall@google.com" <bsegall@google.com>,
	"vschneid@redhat.com" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"dietmar.eggemann@arm.com" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"mgorman@suse.de" <mgorman@suse.de>,
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	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	<linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org>,
	"AngeloGioacchino Del Regno"
	<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] sched/deadline: Fix RT task potential starvation when expiry time passed
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 10:23:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aIHtfRB6UuVVbp2z@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd10d32b514d2792659fe03ad1235771982a6e2f.camel@mediatek.com>

On 23/07/25 22:22, Pierce Wen (溫彥翔) wrote:

...

> Hi all,

Hello!

> I wanted to follow up on the discussion regarding the potential RT task
> starvation issue and check if there have been any further updates or
> feedback.
> 
> To recap and provide some additional context:
> 
> 1. As discussed in the thread (see
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/CANDhNCqYCpdhYS9afdKeY34Bmw8MXyqKWCSTxOZNLTjYrUaVXg@mail.gmail.com/
> ), it has been demonstrated that the use of a scaled timer can indeed
> induce RT starvation under certain conditions.

This first case has been handled by fc975cfb36393 ("sched/deadline: Fix
dl_server runtime calculation formula") on tip/master.

> 2. Furthermore, since the delta_exec time calculation relies on the
> clock_task member of struct rq, which is affected by IRQ time on the
> runqueue, there is a risk that if IRQ time becomes excessively long in
> some corner cases, it could also lead to RT starvation.
> 
> 3. Based on these observations, we strongly recommend adopting a
> recovery patch to address these critical scenarios and prevent RT task
> starvation, especially in cases where the current logic may not be
> sufficient.

As I was saying, I am not against the patch proposed to address the
starvation issue discussed in this thread. Maybe the patch can be
reposted with the addition of a comment on the code path related to
dl-server explaining why the special case is needed?

Thanks,
Juri


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-24  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-15 13:10 Kuyo Chang
2025-06-16 15:03 ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-18 14:20   ` Kuyo Chang
2025-06-19 13:13     ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-20  3:00       ` Kuyo Chang
2025-06-20 15:22         ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-21  2:55           ` Kuyo Chang
2025-07-23 22:22             ` Pierce Wen (溫彥翔)
2025-07-24  8:23               ` juri.lelli [this message]
2025-07-30 10:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-07-31 15:00   ` Christian Loehle
2025-08-15  4:35   ` Jiri Slaby
2025-08-20 12:57   ` Diederik de Haas
2025-08-27  6:45 ` [tip: sched/urgent] " tip-bot2 for kuyo chang

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