From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
To: Kuyo Chang <kuyo.chang@mediatek.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
AngeloGioacchino Del Regno
<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>,
jstultz <jstultz@google.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] sched/deadline: Fix RT task potential starvation when expiry time passed
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:22:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFV8qeH__bw0chWM@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6ec534be0618de3e2b4d81555e5f24155326c0b9.camel@mediatek.com>
On 20/06/25 11:00, Kuyo Chang wrote:
...
> "DL replenish lagged too much" means the fair_server took much longer
> than expected to use up its running time,
> so the deadline fell way behind the clock (which is also why
> start_dl_timer() failed).
> In this situation, just replenishing one dl_period isn’t enough to
> catch up.
>
> A corner case is when there are too many IRQs or IPIs in the system.
> In this case, runtime gets consumed very slowly, and the fair_server
> keep running without being throttled.
> Even the runtime is exhausted finally, the fair_server would be
> restarted immediately.
> In the end, IRQs, IPIs, and fair tasks can take over the whole system,
> no chance for RT tasks to run.
Thanks for the additional explanation.
The way I understand it now is the following (of course please correct
me if I am still not getting it :)
- a dl_server is actively servicing NORMAL tasks, but suffers lot of IRQ
load and cannot make much progress
- it does anyway make progress, but it reaches update_curr_dl_se@throttle
only when its current deadline is past rq_clock
- dl_runtime_exceeded() branch is entered, but start_dl_timer() fails as
the computed act is still in the past
- enqueue_dl_entity(REPLENISH) call replenish_dl_entity() which tries to
add runtime and advance the deadline, but time moved on so far that
deadline is still behind rq_clock() and so "DL replenish ..." is
printed
- replenish_dl_new_period() updates runtime and deadline from current
clock and the dl-server is put back to run (so it continues to run
over/starve FIFO tasks)
It looks like your proposed fix might work in this particular corner
case, but I am not 100% comfortable with not trying to replenish
properly (catch up with runtime) at all. I wonder if we might then start
missing some other corner case. Maybe we could try to catch this
particular corner case before even attempting to start the dl_timer,
since we know it will fail, and do something at that point?
Thanks,
Juri
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-20 15:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-15 13:10 Kuyo Chang
2025-06-16 15:03 ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-18 14:20 ` Kuyo Chang
2025-06-19 13:13 ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-20 3:00 ` Kuyo Chang
2025-06-20 15:22 ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2025-06-21 2:55 ` Kuyo Chang
2025-07-23 22:22 ` Pierce Wen (溫彥翔)
2025-07-24 8:23 ` juri.lelli
2025-07-30 10:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-07-31 15:00 ` Christian Loehle
2025-08-15 4:35 ` Jiri Slaby
2025-08-20 12:57 ` Diederik de Haas
2025-08-27 6:45 ` [tip: sched/urgent] " tip-bot2 for kuyo chang
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