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From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
To: Kuyo Chang <kuyo.chang@mediatek.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	AngeloGioacchino Del Regno
	<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>,
	jstultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] sched/deadline: Fix RT task potential starvation when expiry time passed
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:22:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFV8qeH__bw0chWM@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6ec534be0618de3e2b4d81555e5f24155326c0b9.camel@mediatek.com>

On 20/06/25 11:00, Kuyo Chang wrote:

...

> "DL replenish lagged too much" means the fair_server took much longer
> than expected to use up its running time,
> so the deadline fell way behind the clock (which is also why
> start_dl_timer() failed). 
> In this situation, just replenishing one dl_period isn’t enough to
> catch up.
>  
> A corner case is when there are too many IRQs or IPIs in the system.
> In this case, runtime gets consumed very slowly, and the fair_server
> keep running without being throttled.
> Even the runtime is exhausted finally, the fair_server would be
> restarted immediately.
> In the end, IRQs, IPIs, and fair tasks can take over the whole system,
> no chance for RT tasks to run.

Thanks for the additional explanation.

The way I understand it now is the following (of course please correct
me if I am still not getting it :)

- a dl_server is actively servicing NORMAL tasks, but suffers lot of IRQ
  load and cannot make much progress
- it does anyway make progress, but it reaches update_curr_dl_se@throttle
  only when its current deadline is past rq_clock
- dl_runtime_exceeded() branch is entered, but start_dl_timer() fails as
  the computed act is still in the past
- enqueue_dl_entity(REPLENISH) call replenish_dl_entity() which tries to
  add runtime and advance the deadline, but time moved on so far that
  deadline is still behind rq_clock() and so "DL replenish ..." is
  printed
- replenish_dl_new_period() updates runtime and deadline from current
  clock and the dl-server is put back to run (so it continues to run
  over/starve FIFO tasks)

It looks like your proposed fix might work in this particular corner
case, but I am not 100% comfortable with not trying to replenish
properly (catch up with runtime) at all. I wonder if we might then start
missing some other corner case. Maybe we could try to catch this
particular corner case before even attempting to start the dl_timer,
since we know it will fail, and do something at that point?

Thanks,
Juri


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-20 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-15 13:10 Kuyo Chang
2025-06-16 15:03 ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-18 14:20   ` Kuyo Chang
2025-06-19 13:13     ` Juri Lelli
2025-06-20  3:00       ` Kuyo Chang
2025-06-20 15:22         ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2025-06-21  2:55           ` Kuyo Chang
2025-07-23 22:22             ` Pierce Wen (溫彥翔)
2025-07-24  8:23               ` juri.lelli
2025-07-30 10:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-07-31 15:00   ` Christian Loehle
2025-08-15  4:35   ` Jiri Slaby
2025-08-20 12:57   ` Diederik de Haas
2025-08-27  6:45 ` [tip: sched/urgent] " tip-bot2 for kuyo chang

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