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From: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
To: Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>
Cc: "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Kairui Song" <ryncsn@gmail.com>, "Nhat Pham" <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	"Baoquan He" <baoquan.he@linux.dev>,
	"Shakeel Butt" <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	"Kairui Song" <kasong@tencent.com>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	"Yosry Ahmed" <yosry@kernel.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	"Kemeng Shi" <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	"Barry Song" <baohua@kernel.org>,
	"YoungJun Park" <youngjun.park@lge.com>,
	"Chengming Zhou" <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
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	"Qi Zheng" <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
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	"Yuanchu Xie" <yuanchu@google.com>, "Wei Xu" <weixugc@google.com>,
	"Gregory Price" <gourry@gourry.net>,
	"Wenchao Hao" <haowenchao22@gmail.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
	"Baolin Wang" <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>, "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Kunwu Chan" <kunwu.chan@linux.dev>,
	"Meta kernel team" <kernel-team@meta.com>,
	"Linux Memory Management List" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	"open list:CONTROL GROUP - MEMORY RESOURCE CONTROLLER (MEMCG)"
	<cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Joshua Hahn" <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Path forward for Virtualized Swap?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:12:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1739d52dcdebdc589826990ef2938b58b1055e18.camel@surriel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACePvbWf8ocrfTpEpQ6==cr1=KTzo4Ar+-Zxt89=sxt02Z8uBg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 2026-09-27 at 06:17 -1000, Chris Li wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2026 at 2:29 AM Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2026-09-26 at 20:23 -1000, Chris Li wrote:
> > > 
> > > That is the part I am not sure I understand correctly. Fair in
> > > what
> > > sense? Using the swap file proportional to the memory limit of
> > > the
> > > cgroup? Do you have an example of perfectly fair swap file usage
> > > for
> > > a
> > > cgroup with an 8G memory limit versus one with a 1G limit?
> > > 
> > > Sorry I am a bit slow grasping what exactly the fair behavior is.
> > 
> > Say we have a 64GB swap file, and several
> > cgroups on the system, applications A & B,
> > and system.slice.
> > 
> > We might give system.slice a 10GB memory.swap.max,
> > and each application a 25GB memory.swap.max.
> > 
> > This way a memory leak in application B
> > does not result in application A being
> > unable to run.
> 
> Thanks for the explanation. To me, this is just standard
> memory.swap.max limit behavior. I was thinking there was some new
> concept of the fairness I haven't grasp..Thanks for the 
> clarification
> anyway.
> 
The only real change we are looking for is
that once zswap no longer automatically takes
up real swap space, the zswap use is no longer
counted under memory.swap.max

Only the data written out from zswap to
physical swap would count toward memory.swap.max.

That way both of the fixed size resources are
counted according to their own limits:
- memory.swap.max limits physical swap use
- memory.max limits anon + file + slab + zswap

-- 
All Rights Reversed.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-27 18:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-04 21:14 Nhat Pham
2026-09-07  5:51 ` Kairui Song
2026-09-08 16:36   ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-11 16:09     ` Kairui Song
2026-09-11 16:57       ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-11 18:14         ` Kairui Song
2026-09-11 19:03           ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-12  8:47             ` Kairui Song
2026-09-14 16:49               ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-08 18:30   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-09 16:41     ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-09 17:47       ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-12  9:00       ` Kairui Song
2026-09-12 11:51         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-19  7:23           ` Chris Li
2026-09-20  1:06             ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-21  0:18               ` Chris Li
2026-09-21  0:35                 ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-21  0:53                   ` Chris Li
2026-09-14 16:10         ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-10 23:27   ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-07 11:30 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-08 16:45   ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-10 10:56     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-10 16:22       ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-10 17:57         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11 16:20         ` Kairui Song
2026-09-11 16:56           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-14 15:00           ` Baoquan He
2026-09-19  6:50             ` Chris Li
2026-09-21 18:55               ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-22 13:38                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 14:43                   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-22 14:56                     ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 15:07                       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-22 15:30                         ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 15:45                           ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-23  6:44                             ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 15:46                           ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-22 15:28                       ` Baoquan He
2026-09-25 18:47                         ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-10  7:09 ` Baoquan He
2026-09-10 16:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-11 13:06     ` Baoquan He
2026-09-11 16:45       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-15  5:48         ` Baoquan He
2026-09-15  6:44           ` Baoquan He
2026-09-19  6:55             ` Chris Li
2026-09-19 16:15               ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-19 21:21                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-19 22:50                   ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-21  0:13                     ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 17:54                       ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-23  7:44                         ` Chris Li
2026-09-23 16:30                           ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-24 11:27                             ` Chris Li
2026-09-24 13:15                               ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-25 13:15                           ` Kairui Song
2026-09-25 15:41                             ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-25 19:21                               ` Kairui Song
2026-09-25 20:20                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-26 21:27                               ` Chris Li
2026-09-27  0:58                                 ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-27  6:23                                   ` Chris Li
2026-09-27 12:29                                     ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-27 16:17                                       ` Chris Li
2026-09-27 18:12                                         ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2026-09-27 23:50                                           ` Chris Li
2026-09-25 16:11                             ` Gregory Price
2026-09-25 20:44                               ` Kairui Song
2026-09-25 21:30                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-25 21:53                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-25 16:54                             ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-25 20:26                               ` Kairui Song
2026-09-28 12:38                                 ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-25 19:36                             ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-25 20:20                               ` Kairui Song
2026-09-19  7:07           ` Chris Li
2026-09-10 17:03   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-11 12:27     ` Baoquan He
2026-09-11 16:21       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-19  8:45     ` Chris Li
2026-09-19 16:08       ` Gregory Price
2026-09-19 19:02         ` Chris Li
2026-09-20  1:14           ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-20  1:53           ` Gregory Price
2026-09-21  9:43             ` Chris Li
2026-09-21 12:53               ` Gregory Price
2026-09-21 16:11                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 17:14                   ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-22 17:21                     ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-23  7:20                       ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 17:31                     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-23  7:32                       ` Chris Li
2026-09-23 13:55                         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-21 14:06               ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-21 16:15                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-21 15:16               ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-21 16:31                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-21 16:36                   ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-21 18:10                     ` Chris Li
2026-09-21 18:52                       ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-22 13:32                         ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 14:59                           ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-22 15:23                             ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 15:43                               ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-23  6:10                                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 15:48                               ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-23  7:00                                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-23 14:21                                   ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-22 17:32                               ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-23  7:37                                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-23 14:11                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-23 15:39                                   ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-22 15:20                           ` Gregory Price
2026-09-22 15:43                             ` Chris Li
2026-09-22 15:52                               ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-23  7:10                                 ` Chris Li
2026-09-23 12:52                                   ` Klara Modin
2026-09-23 15:43                                     ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-23 17:26                                       ` Klara Modin
2026-09-24  5:51                                     ` Baoquan He
2026-09-24  7:20                                       ` Klara Modin
2026-09-24  7:53                                         ` Baoquan He
2026-09-21 10:01           ` Kairui Song
2026-09-21 13:27             ` Gregory Price
2026-09-21 15:27               ` Rik van Riel
2026-09-21 15:48                 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-21 16:32               ` Chris Li
2026-09-21 17:02                 ` Gregory Price
2026-09-23  9:39                   ` Baoquan He
2026-09-23 12:11                     ` Gregory Price
2026-09-24 11:02                     ` Chris Li
2026-09-24 14:18                       ` Gregory Price
2026-09-23 14:34               ` Kairui Song
2026-09-21 18:11             ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-22 17:16           ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-10 17:16   ` Nhat Pham

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