From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2026 09:45:16 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b236a64-d511-49a2-9962-55f4b1eb08e3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWpyA0_r_yVewnfx@google.com>
On 1/16/26 09:14, Sean Christopherson wrote:
...
>> *EVEN* if the pfn_to_page() itself is unsafe, and even if the WARN()s
>> are compiled out, this explicitly lays out the assumptions and it means
>> someone reading TDX code has an easier idea comprehending it.
> I object to the existence of those assumptions. Why the blazes does TDX care
> how KVM and guest_memfd manages memory?
For me, it's because TDX can't take arbitrary kvm_pfn_t's for private
memory. It's got to be able to be converted in the hardware, and also
have allocated TDX metadata (PAMT) that the TDX module was handed at
module init time. I thought kvm_pfn_t might, for instance be pointing
over to a shared page or MMIO. Those can't be used for TD private memory.
I think it's a pretty useful convention to know that the generic,
flexible kvm_pfn_t has been winnowed down to a more restrictive type
that is what TDX needs.
But, honestly, my big aversion was to u64's everywhere. I can certainly
live with a few kvm_pfn_t's in the TDX code. It doesn't have to be
'struct page'.
> If you want to assert that the pfn is compatible with TDX, then by
> all means. But I am NOT accepting any more KVM code that assumes
> TDX memory is backed by refcounted struct page. If I had been
> paying more attention when the initial TDX series landed, I would
> have NAK'd that too.
I'm kinda surprised by that. The only memory we support handing into TDs
for private memory is refcounted struct page. I can imagine us being
able to do this with DAX pages in the near future, but those have
'struct page' too, and I think they're refcounted pretty normally now as
well.
The TDX module initialization is pretty tied to NUMA nodes, too. If it's
in a NUMA node, the TDX module is told about it and it also universally
gets a 'struct page'.
Is there some kind of memory that I'm missing? What else *is* there? :)
> tdh_mem_page_aug() is just an absurdly slow way of writing a PTE. It doesn't
> _need_ the pfn to be backed a struct page, at all. IMO, what you're asking for
> is akin to adding a pile of unnecessary assumptions to e.g. __set_spte() and
> __kvm_tdp_mmu_write_spte(). No thanks.
Which part is absurdly slow? page_to_phys()? Isn't that just a shift by
an immediate and a subtraction of an immediate? Yeah, the subtraction
immediate is chonky so the instruction is big.
But at a quick glance I'm not seeing anything absurd.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-16 17:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-06 10:16 Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 9:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 3:08 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12 2:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14 1:48 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 1:00 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 8:35 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 6:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 6:15 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 5:55 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 7:54 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27 3:40 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19 1:28 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 8:35 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 8:49 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22 6:27 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22 6:33 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 0:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 6:42 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21 1:54 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22 7:03 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 7:30 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22 7:49 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07 9:03 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09 9:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12 1:39 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 2:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13 6:10 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14 9:32 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 19:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 0:33 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 1:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 9:23 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15 3:08 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 0:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-19 5:53 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 9:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:45 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2026-01-16 19:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 1:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 14:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19 1:25 ` Yan Zhao
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