From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
To: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
Cc: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 17:32:36 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWditFmWX3kOvPiB@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGtprH8GuKYctwJFJHcztx=q9hfwQF+1_7e8=h9r3u1V_GgzmQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 08:40:11AM -0800, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 10:13 PM Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Additionally, we don't split private mappings in kvm_gmem_error_folio().
> > > >> > >> If smaller folios are allowed, splitting private mapping is required there.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It was discussed before that for memory failure handling, we will want
> > > >> > to split huge pages, we will get to it! The trouble is that guest_memfd
> > > >> > took the page from HugeTLB (unlike buddy or HugeTLB which manages memory
> > > >> > from the ground up), so we'll still need to figure out it's okay to let
> > > >> > HugeTLB deal with it when freeing, and when I last looked, HugeTLB
> > > >> > doesn't actually deal with poisoned folios on freeing, so there's more
> > > >> > work to do on the HugeTLB side.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This is a good point, although IIUC it is a separate issue. The need to
> > > >> > split private mappings on memory failure is not for confidentiality in
> > > >> > the TDX sense but to ensure that the guest doesn't use the failed
> > > >> > memory. In that case, contiguity is broken by the failed memory. The
> > > >> > folio is split, the private EPTs are split. The folio size should still
> > > >> > not be checked in TDX code. guest_memfd knows contiguity got broken, so
> > > >> > guest_memfd calls TDX code to split the EPTs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmm, maybe the key is that we need to split S-EPT first before allowing
> > > >> guest_memfd to split the backend folio. If splitting S-EPT fails, don't do the
> > > >> folio splitting.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is better than performing folio splitting while it's mapped as huge in
> > > >> S-EPT, since in the latter case, kvm_gmem_error_folio() needs to try to split
> > > >> S-EPT. If the S-EPT splitting fails, falling back to zapping the huge mapping in
> > > >> kvm_gmem_error_folio() would still trigger the over-zapping issue.
> > > >>
> > >
> > > Let's put memory failure handling aside for now since for now it zaps
> > > the entire huge page, so there's no impact on ordering between S-EPT and
> > > folio split.
> > Relying on guest_memfd's specific implemenation is not a good thing. e.g.,
> >
> > Given there's a version of guest_memfd allocating folios from buddy.
> > 1. KVM maps a 2MB folio in a 2MB mappings.
> > 2. guest_memfd splits the 2MB folio into 4KB folios, but fails and leaves the
> > 2MB folio partially split.
> > 3. Memory failure occurs on one of the split folio.
> > 4. When splitting S-EPT fails, the over-zapping issue is still there.
> >
>
> Why is overzapping an issue?
> Memory failure is supposed to be a rare occurrence and if there is no
> memory to handle the splitting, I don't see any other choice than
> overzapping. IIUC splitting the huge page range (in 1G -> 4K scenario)
> requires even more memory than just splitting cross-boundary leaves
> and has a higher chance of failing.
>
> i.e. Whether the folio is split first or the SEPTs, there is always a
> chance of failure leading to over-zapping. I don't see value in
Hmm. If the split occurs after memory failure, yes, splitting S-EPT first also
has chance of over-zapping. But if the split occurs during private-to-shared
conversion for the non-conversion range, when memory failure later occurs on the
split folio, over-zapping can be avoided.
> optimizing rare failures within rarer memory failure handling
> codepaths which are supposed to make best-effort decisions anyway.
I agree it's of low priority.
Just not sure if there're edge cases besides this one.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-14 9:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-06 10:16 Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 9:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 3:08 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12 2:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14 1:48 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 1:00 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 8:35 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 6:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 6:15 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 5:55 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 7:54 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27 3:40 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19 1:28 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 8:35 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 8:49 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22 6:27 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22 6:33 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 0:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 6:42 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21 1:54 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22 7:03 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 7:30 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22 7:49 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07 9:03 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09 9:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12 1:39 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 2:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13 6:10 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14 9:32 ` Yan Zhao [this message]
2026-01-07 19:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 0:33 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 1:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 9:23 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15 3:08 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 0:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-19 5:53 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 9:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:45 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 19:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 1:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 14:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19 1:25 ` Yan Zhao
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