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From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
To: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
Cc: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 17:32:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWditFmWX3kOvPiB@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGtprH8GuKYctwJFJHcztx=q9hfwQF+1_7e8=h9r3u1V_GgzmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 08:40:11AM -0800, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 10:13 PM Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Additionally, we don't split private mappings in kvm_gmem_error_folio().
> > > >> > >> If smaller folios are allowed, splitting private mapping is required there.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It was discussed before that for memory failure handling, we will want
> > > >> > to split huge pages, we will get to it! The trouble is that guest_memfd
> > > >> > took the page from HugeTLB (unlike buddy or HugeTLB which manages memory
> > > >> > from the ground up), so we'll still need to figure out it's okay to let
> > > >> > HugeTLB deal with it when freeing, and when I last looked, HugeTLB
> > > >> > doesn't actually deal with poisoned folios on freeing, so there's more
> > > >> > work to do on the HugeTLB side.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This is a good point, although IIUC it is a separate issue. The need to
> > > >> > split private mappings on memory failure is not for confidentiality in
> > > >> > the TDX sense but to ensure that the guest doesn't use the failed
> > > >> > memory. In that case, contiguity is broken by the failed memory. The
> > > >> > folio is split, the private EPTs are split. The folio size should still
> > > >> > not be checked in TDX code. guest_memfd knows contiguity got broken, so
> > > >> > guest_memfd calls TDX code to split the EPTs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmm, maybe the key is that we need to split S-EPT first before allowing
> > > >> guest_memfd to split the backend folio. If splitting S-EPT fails, don't do the
> > > >> folio splitting.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is better than performing folio splitting while it's mapped as huge in
> > > >> S-EPT, since in the latter case, kvm_gmem_error_folio() needs to try to split
> > > >> S-EPT. If the S-EPT splitting fails, falling back to zapping the huge mapping in
> > > >> kvm_gmem_error_folio() would still trigger the over-zapping issue.
> > > >>
> > >
> > > Let's put memory failure handling aside for now since for now it zaps
> > > the entire huge page, so there's no impact on ordering between S-EPT and
> > > folio split.
> > Relying on guest_memfd's specific implemenation is not a good thing. e.g.,
> >
> > Given there's a version of guest_memfd allocating folios from buddy.
> > 1. KVM maps a 2MB folio in a 2MB mappings.
> > 2. guest_memfd splits the 2MB folio into 4KB folios, but fails and leaves the
> >    2MB folio partially split.
> > 3. Memory failure occurs on one of the split folio.
> > 4. When splitting S-EPT fails, the over-zapping issue is still there.
> >
> 
> Why is overzapping an issue?
> Memory failure is supposed to be a rare occurrence and if there is no
> memory to handle the splitting, I don't see any other choice than
> overzapping. IIUC splitting the huge page range (in 1G -> 4K scenario)
> requires even more memory than just splitting cross-boundary leaves
> and has a higher chance of failing.
> 
> i.e. Whether the folio is split first or the SEPTs, there is always a
> chance of failure leading to over-zapping. I don't see value in
Hmm. If the split occurs after memory failure, yes, splitting S-EPT first also
has chance of over-zapping. But if the split occurs during private-to-shared
conversion for the non-conversion range, when memory failure later occurs on the
split folio, over-zapping can be avoided.

> optimizing rare failures within rarer memory failure handling
> codepaths which are supposed to make best-effort decisions anyway.
I agree it's of low priority.
Just not sure if there're edge cases besides this one.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-14  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 10:16 Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07  9:12     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09  3:08         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  2:41             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50               ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  1:48                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  1:00   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16  8:35     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  6:18           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  6:15         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  5:55     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  7:54     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27  3:40         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:28       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  8:35         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  8:49           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40               ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:27           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57       ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:33           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  0:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  6:42     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21  1:54   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:03       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22  7:30         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:49           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33             ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07  9:03           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11             ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09  9:18               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07                   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  1:39                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12  2:12                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13  6:10                           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  9:32                               ` Yan Zhao [this message]
2026-01-07 19:22           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14  0:33             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14  1:24               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14  9:23                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45                     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15  3:08                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-19  5:53                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03  9:18                                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57                         ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:45                             ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 19:59                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25                                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  1:41                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 14:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:25       ` Yan Zhao

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