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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2026 16:58:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6184812b4449947395417b07ae3bad2f191d178f.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWpn8pZrPVyTcnYv@google.com>

On Fri, 2026-01-16 at 08:31 -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Dave wants safety for the TDX pages getting handed to the module.
> 
> Define "safety".  As I stressed earlier, blinding retrieving a
> "struct page" and dereferencing that pointer is the exact opposite of
> safe.

I think we had two problems.

1. Passing in raw PA's via u64 led to buggy code. IIRC we had a bug
with this that was caught before it went upstream. So a page needs a
real type of some sort.

2. Work was done on the tip side to prevent non-TDX capable memory from
entering the page allocator. With that in place, by requiring struct
page, TDX code can know that it is getting the type of memory it worked
hard to guarantee was good.

You are saying that shifting a PFN to a struct page blindly doesn't
actually guarantee that it meets those requirements. Makes sense.

For (1) we can just use any old type I think - pfn_t, etc. As we
discussed in the base series.

For (2) we need to check that the memory came from the page allocator,
or otherwise is valid TDX memory somehow. That is at least the only
check that makes sense to me.

There was some discussion about refcounts somewhere in this thread. I
don't think it's arch/x86's worry. Then Yan was saying something last
night that I didn't quite follow. We said, let's just resume the
discussion on the list. So she might suggest another check.

> 
> > 2. Invent a new tdx_page_t type.
> 
> Still doesn't provide meaningful safety.  Regardless of what type
> gets passed into the low level tdh_*() helpers, it's going to require
> KVM to effectively cast a bare pfn, because I am completely against
> passing anything other than a SPTE to tdx_sept_set_private_spte().

I'm not sure I was clear, like:
1. A raw PFN gets passed in to the conversion helper in arch/x86.
2. The helper does the check that it is TDX capable memory, or anything
it cares to check about memory safety, then returns the new type to
KVM.
3. KVM uses the type as an argument to any seamcall that requires TDX
capable memory.

> 
> > 1. Page is TDX capable memory
> 
> That's fine by me, but that's _very_ different than what was proposed
> here.

Proposed by me just now or the series? We are trying to find a new
solution now.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-16 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 10:16 Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07  9:12     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09  3:08         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  2:41             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50               ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  1:48                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  1:00   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16  8:35     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  6:18           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  6:15         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  5:55     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  7:54     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27  3:40         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:28       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  8:35         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  8:49           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40               ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:27           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57       ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:33           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  0:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  6:42     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21  1:54   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:03       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22  7:30         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:49           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33             ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07  9:03           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11             ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09  9:18               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07                   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  1:39                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12  2:12                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13  6:10                           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  9:32                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 19:22           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14  0:33             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14  1:24               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14  9:23                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45                     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15  3:08                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2026-01-19  5:53                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03  9:18                                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57                         ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:45                             ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 19:59                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25                                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  1:41                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 14:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:25       ` Yan Zhao

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