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From: Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk>
To: phil-linux-kernel@ipal.net (Phil Howard)
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks?
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:24:28 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200111250024.AAA10086@mauve.demon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011124174134.B4372@vega.ipal.net> from "Phil Howard" at Nov 24, 2001 05:41:34 PM

<snip>
> It could be that other drives have the capability to detect and write
> over sectors made bad by power off.  Or maybe they lock out the sector
> and map to a spare.  They might even have enough spin left to finish
> the sector correctly in more cases.
> 
> So I doubt the issue is present in other drives, unless the issue is
> not really as big of one as we might think and the problems with IBM
> drives are something else.
> 
> I do worry that the lighter the platters are, the faster they try to
> make the drives spin with smaller motors, and the quicker they slow
> down when power is lost.

Utterly unimportant.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the drives spins down to a stop
in 1 second.
Now, the datarate for this 40G IDE drive I've got in my box is about
25 megabytes per second, or about 50K sectors per second.
Slowing down isn't a problem.

Somewhere I've got a databook, ca 85 I think, for a motor driver chip, 
to drive spindle motors on hard disks, with integrated 
diodes that rectify the power coming from the disk when the power fails,
to give a little grace.

If written by people with a clue, the drive does not need to do much
seeking to write the data from a write-cache to dics, just one seek 
to a journal track, and a write.
This needs maybe 3 revs to complete, at most.

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-25  0:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.1006644421.6553.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-11-24 13:03 ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 13:40   ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 16:36     ` Phil Howard
2001-11-24 17:19       ` Charles Marslett
2001-11-24 17:31       ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 17:41       ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-24 19:20         ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 19:29           ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 22:51             ` John Alvord
2001-11-24 23:41               ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25  0:24                 ` Ian Stirling [this message]
2001-11-25  0:53                   ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25  1:25                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25  1:44                     ` Sven.Riedel
2001-11-24 22:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25  4:49             ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-24 23:04           ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-24 23:23           ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-24 23:29             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-26 18:05               ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 23:49                 ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-27  0:06                   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27  0:16                     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27  7:38                       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27 11:48                         ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27  0:18                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-27  1:01                   ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27  1:33                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  1:57                   ` Steve Underwood
2001-11-27  5:04                   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-25  4:20           ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-11-25 12:30           ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-25 15:04             ` Barry K. Nathan
2001-11-25 16:31               ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27  2:39                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-03 10:23                   ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-25  9:14   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-11-25 22:55     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-26 16:59     ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 20:30       ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 20:35         ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 23:59           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27  0:24             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  0:52               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  1:11                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  1:15                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:59                     ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 16:56                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27  1:23           ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 23:00             ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27  2:41               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  0:19                 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27 23:35                   ` Andreas Bombe
2001-11-28 14:32                     ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27  3:39               ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27  7:03           ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27 16:50           ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 20:31             ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 18:43               ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-28 18:46                 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 22:19                   ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-29 22:21                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-01 10:55                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-02  0:08                       ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-03 20:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-26 20:53       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-26 21:18         ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? [wandering OT] Rob Landley
2001-11-27  0:32         ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:39       ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 17:42         ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-28 16:35           ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 17:14   ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 20:36     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 21:14       ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 21:36         ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27 16:36           ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-27 20:04             ` Bill Davidsen
2001-11-27 21:28         ` Wayne Whitney
2001-11-27 21:52           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-28 11:53             ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-25 13:52 ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-25  1:20 dnu478nt5w@mailexpire.com
2001-11-28 14:36 Galappatti, Kishantha
2001-11-28 17:22 David Balazic
2001-11-28 23:25 Frank de Lange
2001-11-29  1:52 ` Matthias Andree

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