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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks?
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:39:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011127023923.A38@toy.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011125133020.C1811@emma1.emma.line.org> <20011125150433.CEAE889CAD@pobox.com> <20011125173125.A13119@emma1.emma.line.org>
In-Reply-To: <20011125173125.A13119@emma1.emma.line.org>; from matthias.andree@stud.uni-dortmund.de on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 05:31:25PM +0100

Hi!

> > "Power off during write operations may make an incomplete sector which
> > will report hard data error when read. The sector can be recovered by a
> > rewrite operation."
> 
> So the proper defect management would be to simply initialize the broken
> sector once a fsck hits it (still, I've never seen disks develop so many
> bad blocks so quickly as those failed DTLA-307045 drives I had).
> 
> Note, the specifications say that the write cache setting is ignored
> when the drive runs out of spare blocks for reassignment after defects
> (so that the drive can return the error code right away when it cannot
> guarantee the write actually goes to disk).

They should turn off write-back after number-of-spare-block < cache-size,
otherwise they are not safe.
								Pavel
-- 
Philips Velo 1: 1"x4"x8", 300gram, 60, 12MB, 40bogomips, linux, mutt,
details at http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/velo/index.html.


  reply	other threads:[~2001-12-02 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.1006644421.6553.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-11-24 13:03 ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 13:40   ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 16:36     ` Phil Howard
2001-11-24 17:19       ` Charles Marslett
2001-11-24 17:31       ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 17:41       ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-24 19:20         ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 19:29           ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 22:51             ` John Alvord
2001-11-24 23:41               ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25  0:24                 ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-25  0:53                   ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25  1:25                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25  1:44                     ` Sven.Riedel
2001-11-24 22:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25  4:49             ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-24 23:04           ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-24 23:23           ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-24 23:29             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-26 18:05               ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 23:49                 ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-27  0:06                   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27  0:16                     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27  7:38                       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27 11:48                         ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27  0:18                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-27  1:01                   ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27  1:33                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  1:57                   ` Steve Underwood
2001-11-27  5:04                   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-25  4:20           ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-11-25 12:30           ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-25 15:04             ` Barry K. Nathan
2001-11-25 16:31               ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27  2:39                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-12-03 10:23                   ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-25  9:14   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-11-25 22:55     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-26 16:59     ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 20:30       ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 20:35         ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 23:59           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27  0:24             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  0:52               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  1:11                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  1:15                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:59                     ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 16:56                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27  1:23           ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 23:00             ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27  2:41               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  0:19                 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27 23:35                   ` Andreas Bombe
2001-11-28 14:32                     ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27  3:39               ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27  7:03           ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27 16:50           ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 20:31             ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 18:43               ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-28 18:46                 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 22:19                   ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-29 22:21                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-01 10:55                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-02  0:08                       ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-03 20:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-26 20:53       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-26 21:18         ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? [wandering OT] Rob Landley
2001-11-27  0:32         ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:39       ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 17:42         ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-28 16:35           ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 17:14   ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 20:36     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 21:14       ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 21:36         ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27 16:36           ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-27 20:04             ` Bill Davidsen
2001-11-27 21:28         ` Wayne Whitney
2001-11-27 21:52           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-28 11:53             ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-25 13:52 ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-25  1:20 dnu478nt5w@mailexpire.com
2001-11-28 14:36 Galappatti, Kishantha
2001-11-28 17:22 David Balazic
2001-11-28 23:25 Frank de Lange
2001-11-29  1:52 ` Matthias Andree

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