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From: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
To: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OKS] Module removal
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:43:22 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020702024322.F2295@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32193.1025585595@kao2.melbourne.sgi.com>; from kaos@ocs.com.au on Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 02:53:15PM +1000

Keith Owens wrote:
> For netfilter, the use count reflects the number of packets being
> processed.  Complex and potentially high overhead.

Good example - netfilter may access a huge number of tiny
modules when working on a packet. While this by itself is a
performance issue, the need to keep reference counts right
doesn't necessarily help.

> All of this requires that the module information be passed in multiple
> structures and assumes that all code is careful about reference
> counting the code it is about to execute.

It's not really just the module information. If I can, say, get
callbacks from something even after I unregister, I may well
have destroyed the data I need to process the callbacks, and
oops or worse.

> There has to be a better way!

Well yes, there are other approaches that make sure something is
not used, e.g.

If you can a) make sure no new references are generated, and b)
send a sequential marker through the subsystem, you can be sure
that all references are gone, when the marker re-emerges. (Or use
multiple markers, e.g. one per CPU.)

Likewise, if you can disable restarting of a subsystem, and then
wait until the subsystem is idle, you're safe. E.g. tasklet_disable
works like this.

- Werner

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-02  5:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-01 20:21 RE2: " Michael Nguyen
2002-07-02  1:40 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02  2:25   ` Keith Owens
2002-07-02  3:11     ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02  3:42       ` Keith Owens
2002-07-02  4:11         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02 22:23         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-09 19:23         ` Russ Lewis
2002-07-02  4:08     ` Brian Gerst
2002-07-02  4:53       ` Keith Owens
2002-07-02  5:43         ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2002-07-02 16:36           ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02 16:50             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-02 18:05               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-03  3:50               ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-04  4:11             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-04  6:29               ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-04  6:50                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-07 21:09                   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-07-07 21:41                     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-08  0:31                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-07-08  6:42                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-08  0:18                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-08  0:46                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-07-08  6:22                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-08 10:16                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-09  0:07                         ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-09  0:27                           ` Keith Owens
2002-07-09  3:09                             ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-09  6:25                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-09  8:59                               ` Kai Germaschewski
2002-07-09 11:06                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-04 12:29                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-09  1:50                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2002-07-09  2:37                   ` Werner Almesberger
2002-07-02 23:35         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-02 22:41       ` RE2: " Alexander Viro
2002-07-02  8:52     ` Helge Hafting
2002-07-02 16:22       ` Werner Almesberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-02 12:20 Ariel Garcia
2002-07-01 17:48 Bill Davidsen
2002-07-01 18:35 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-01 18:42 ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2002-07-01 18:45   ` Shawn
2002-07-01 19:57 ` Diego Calleja
2002-07-01 20:03   ` Diego Calleja
2002-07-01 22:20   ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2002-07-01 22:56   ` Ryan Anderson
2002-07-02 11:37 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-07-02 12:04   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-02 13:13     ` jlnance
2002-07-02 15:20   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-02 15:53     ` Jonathan Corbet
2002-07-02 16:07       ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-02 17:48         ` Tom Rini
2002-07-02 18:10           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-02 21:50             ` Ryan Anderson
2002-07-03 22:26               ` Diego Calleja
2002-07-04  0:00                 ` Keith Owens
2002-07-04  8:04               ` Helge Hafting
2002-07-02 16:08     ` Werner Almesberger
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.3.95.1020702075957.24872A-100000@chaos.analogic.c om>
2002-07-04  8:36     ` Mike Galbraith
2002-07-03  0:09 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-07-12 21:51 ` David Lang

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