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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@amd.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	Samuel Ortiz <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>,
	Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v6 09/11] iommufd: Add the vdevice TSM request ioctl
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2026 11:08:37 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260930140837.GT1616761@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq5a7bk3upx6.fsf@kernel.org>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 01:33:17PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
> > Why would it ever not be tied to userspace pointers? I don't want
> > an in kernel user ever using this kind of struct?
> 
> The previous discussion suggested that another kernel subsystem might
> need to use this low-level TSM interface, although no concrete example
> was identified. In other words, an opaque guest request could be issued
> from either userspace or kernel space. 

Don't do it without a user then.

Directly coupling KVM to iommufd is some other future topic. I don't
think KVM should be coupled to TSM.

> > That seems wrong.. The hypervisor should not have control over T=1
> > DMA.
>
> This was added specifically for AMD SEV, which requires an IOMMU-side
> update to enable DMA.

See my remarks to Vasant. I want to take a very careful look at this
list eventually, but for now lets focus on the other parts and keep
this seperate.

> We have gone through several iterations to identify the guest
> passthrough request facility we need. IIUC, both TDX and CCA give the
> hypervisor some control over the request type, while SEV-TIO is more
> opaque.

Is there a record? I would be interested to read a summary

Maybe you can summarize the details in the comments. Eg define exactly
what spec operation each arch will implement under every proposed
call?

> >> +/**
> >> + * struct iommu_vdevice_tsm_req - ioctl(IOMMU_VDEVICE_TSM_REQ)
> >> + * @size: sizeof(struct iommu_vdevice_tsm_req)
> >> + * @vdevice_id: vDevice ID the guest request is for
> >> + * @op: One of enum iommu_vdevice_tsm_guest_req_op
> >> + * @tvm_arch: One of enum iommu_vdevice_tsm_guest_tvm_arch
> >> + * @req_len: Size in bytes of the input payload at @req_uptr
> >> + * @resp_len: Size in bytes of the output buffer at @resp_uptr
> >> + * @req_uptr: Userspace pointer to the guest-provided request payload
> >> + * @resp_uptr: Userspace pointer to the guest response buffer
> >> + * @tsm_code: TSM-specific result code returned by the TSM implementation
> >> + *
> >> + * Forward a TSM request to the TSM bound vDevice. This is intended for
> >> + * guest TSM/TDISP message transport where the host kernel only marshals
> >> + * bytes between userspace and the TSM implementation.
> >> + *
> >> + * The request operation is guest initiated. The TSM backend validates
> >> + * @tvm_arch against its bound TVM architecture assumptions.
> >> + *
> >> + * The request payload is read from @req_uptr/@req_len. If a response is
> >> + * expected, userspace provides @resp_uptr/@resp_len as writable storage for
> >> + * response bytes returned by the TSM path.
> >> + *
> >> + * The ioctl is only suitable for commands and results that the host kernel
> >> + * has no use, the host is only facilitating guest to TSM communication.
> >> + */
> >> +struct iommu_vdevice_tsm_req {
> >> +	__u32 size;
> >> +	__u32 vdevice_id;
> >> +	__u32 op;
> >> +	__u32 tvm_arch;
> >> +	__u32 req_len;
> >> +	__u32 resp_len;
> >> +	__aligned_u64 req_uptr;
> >> +	__aligned_u64 resp_uptr;
> >> +	__aligned_u64 tsm_code;
> >
> > out_tsm_code
> >
> 
> That is required for SEV-TIO.

I mean spell it 'out_tsm_code' since it is written as an output, that
is the convention in iommufd structs

Separately I also don't know why we'd need it since we have an entire
resp_uptr. If the arch specific action needs an arch specific code, it
can go in the arch specific resp struct.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-30 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-17 14:01 [RFC PATCH v6 00/11] iommufd: Infrastructure for vIOMMU creation for confidential guests and guest TSM requests Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 01/11] vfio: cache KVM VM file references instead of raw struct kvm pointers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-30  7:19     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 02/11] vfio: cdev: Reject duplicate bind before updating KVM file Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24  7:53   ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-25  5:49     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 03/11] iommufd/device: Associate KVM file pointer with iommufd_device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 04/11] iommufd/viommu: Keep a reference to the KVM file Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-30 13:28   ` Vasant Hegde
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 05/11] iommu: Add a helper to validate a vIOMMU parent Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  5:48     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:23       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28 10:36         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-28 12:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28 15:39             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-28 16:17               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28 18:08                 ` Jacob Pan
2026-09-28 18:20                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28 22:24                     ` Jacob Pan
2026-09-28 23:03                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-29  5:55                         ` Jacob Pan
2026-09-29 12:30                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-29 23:15                             ` Jacob Pan
2026-09-29 23:30                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 06/11] iommu: Add a helper to query vIOMMU hardware parameters Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  5:59     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 07/11] coco: tsm: Expose active-user lifetime references Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 08/11] iommufd: Add vIOMMU provider support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  6:08     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28  3:41         ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-29  6:14           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-29 12:17             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-29 12:45               ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-29 13:06                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-29 15:58                   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-29 19:10                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28 10:51         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 09/11] iommufd: Add the vdevice TSM request ioctl Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:09   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-09-18 13:13     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-30  8:03     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-30 13:26       ` Vasant Hegde
2026-09-30 14:03         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-30 14:08       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 10/11] PCI/TSM: Remove the legacy guest request interface Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 11/11] PCI/TSM: Add reference-counted contexts for vdevice providers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24  8:17   ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  8:15     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-28 18:47   ` Sonang Patel
2026-09-28 23:08     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-17 14:17 ` [RFC PATCH v6 00/11] iommufd: Infrastructure for vIOMMU creation for confidential guests and guest TSM requests Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-24  7:48 ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-24 19:20   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-28  3:35     ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-28 13:08       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  8:29   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-28  3:41     ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-28  3:55       ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-24 19:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  6:46   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:45     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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