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From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Cc: "Natalie Protasevich" <protasnb@gmail.com>,
	"David Rees" <drees76@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Walker" <dwalker@mvista.com>,
	"Michal Piotrowski" <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Björn Steinbrink" <B.Steinbrink@gmx.de>,
	eranian@hpl.hp.com, ak@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Al Boldi" <a1426z@gawab.com>
Subject: Re: Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases?
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:20:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46DC0A0D.1030207@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070903122940.GU16016@stusta.de>

Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 05:24:37PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
[on whether to track missing features]
>> Where I am around, there are always far too few people who fix things
>> and build things.  But very, very occasionally there is someone new who
>> wonders if there is an interesting TODO item which is perhaps in the
>> reach of his abilities.  Contributing a cleanup or an actual feature is
>> typically much easier than fixing an open, tracked bug.  (The bugs which
>> end up in the bugtracker are usually the difficult ones.)  The
>> contributor learns something and, in a rare turn of events, may
>> eventually become able and willing to join the bugfixing.
> 
> "Contributing a cleanup" is what the Kernel Janitor Project
> already offers.
> 
> But "Contributing an actual feature" is much harder:
> 
> You need a feature:
> - with a realistic chance of being included and
> - hard enough that the person suggesting it doesn't simply implement it
>   himself instead of requesting it

    or there is simply nobody else who takes the time to implement it

>   and
> - easy enough that a newbie can implement it.
> 
> And the code should then be in a reasonable shape for being merged.

Helping to bring it into shape may be one of the easier pastimes of a
gateway person.  (Can be done after mindnumbing day job.)

> IMHO that's nearly impossible.
> 
> Realistically, offering a TODO item for a feature would require the one 
> proposing it to do an amount of mentoring work that is not smaller than 
> the amount of work he had to spend if implementing it himself.
> 
> This might be worth it if you know for sure the person you are mentoring 
> stays active after completion of the feature - but this assumption is 
> too often not true.

Adding a feature is not just a matter of amount of work, it is also a
matter of motivation and inspiration.  So, even if it remains a one-off
project, at least that feature came into life.

But besides these remarks I have to agree with your view, overall.
-- 
Stefan Richter
-=====-=-=== =--= ---==
http://arcgraph.de/sr/

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-03 13:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-08  0:06 nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21 Daniel Walker
2007-08-08 14:20 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-08-08 15:20   ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-20 16:44   ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-23 20:08     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-23 21:22       ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27  0:45         ` Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases? (was Re: nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21) Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27  7:51           ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-27  9:41             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-27 11:35               ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 16:09               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-27 16:05                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 11:38             ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 12:35               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-27 15:02                 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 15:13               ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 15:26                 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 15:39                   ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 17:02                     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 17:17                       ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 19:12                     ` David Rees
2007-08-29  7:42                       ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-08-29 22:23                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-29 23:59                           ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-08-30  8:51                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-30 15:24                             ` Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases? Stefan Richter
     [not found]                               ` <32209efe0708300950r5787402l4d02cedd862314fd@mail.gmail.com>
2007-08-30 22:11                                 ` Al Boldi
2007-09-03 12:29                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-03 13:20                                 ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2007-08-30 15:54                           ` Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases? (was Re: nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21) Bill Davidsen
2007-09-03 12:43                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-27 16:26             ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 16:44               ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-27 16:52                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-27 17:08                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 18:26                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-27  8:11           ` David Rees
2007-08-27 11:42             ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 14:39           ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 15:11             ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 17:54   ` nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21 Stephane Eranian
2007-08-27 17:55     ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 22:55       ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-27 23:07         ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28  9:12           ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-28 14:34             ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28 17:05               ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-28 18:30                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28 19:46                   ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-28 20:13                     ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-29 21:24                       ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-30  1:21                         ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-30 21:05                           ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-31 14:43                             ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-31 16:21                               ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-31 16:35                                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-31 18:06                                   ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-09-01  0:24                                     ` Daniel Walker
2007-09-01  1:00                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-09-01  1:36                                         ` Daniel Walker
2007-09-01 10:19                                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-01 19:51                                             ` Stephane Eranian
2007-09-01 20:32                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-01 20:46                                                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-09-01  9:12                                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-28 20:26                     ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28 20:21                   ` Stephane Eranian

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