From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Cc: "Natalie Protasevich" <protasnb@gmail.com>,
"David Rees" <drees76@gmail.com>,
"Daniel Walker" <dwalker@mvista.com>,
"Michal Piotrowski" <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Björn Steinbrink" <B.Steinbrink@gmx.de>,
eranian@hpl.hp.com, ak@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Al Boldi" <a1426z@gawab.com>
Subject: Re: Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases?
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:20:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46DC0A0D.1030207@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070903122940.GU16016@stusta.de>
Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 05:24:37PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
[on whether to track missing features]
>> Where I am around, there are always far too few people who fix things
>> and build things. But very, very occasionally there is someone new who
>> wonders if there is an interesting TODO item which is perhaps in the
>> reach of his abilities. Contributing a cleanup or an actual feature is
>> typically much easier than fixing an open, tracked bug. (The bugs which
>> end up in the bugtracker are usually the difficult ones.) The
>> contributor learns something and, in a rare turn of events, may
>> eventually become able and willing to join the bugfixing.
>
> "Contributing a cleanup" is what the Kernel Janitor Project
> already offers.
>
> But "Contributing an actual feature" is much harder:
>
> You need a feature:
> - with a realistic chance of being included and
> - hard enough that the person suggesting it doesn't simply implement it
> himself instead of requesting it
or there is simply nobody else who takes the time to implement it
> and
> - easy enough that a newbie can implement it.
>
> And the code should then be in a reasonable shape for being merged.
Helping to bring it into shape may be one of the easier pastimes of a
gateway person. (Can be done after mindnumbing day job.)
> IMHO that's nearly impossible.
>
> Realistically, offering a TODO item for a feature would require the one
> proposing it to do an amount of mentoring work that is not smaller than
> the amount of work he had to spend if implementing it himself.
>
> This might be worth it if you know for sure the person you are mentoring
> stays active after completion of the feature - but this assumption is
> too often not true.
Adding a feature is not just a matter of amount of work, it is also a
matter of motivation and inspiration. So, even if it remains a one-off
project, at least that feature came into life.
But besides these remarks I have to agree with your view, overall.
--
Stefan Richter
-=====-=-=== =--= ---==
http://arcgraph.de/sr/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-03 13:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-08 0:06 nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21 Daniel Walker
2007-08-08 14:20 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-08-08 15:20 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-20 16:44 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-23 20:08 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-23 21:22 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 0:45 ` Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases? (was Re: nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21) Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 7:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-27 9:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-27 11:35 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 16:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-27 16:05 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 11:38 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 12:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-27 15:02 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 15:13 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 15:26 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 15:39 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 17:02 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 17:17 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 19:12 ` David Rees
2007-08-29 7:42 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-08-29 22:23 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-29 23:59 ` Natalie Protasevich
2007-08-30 8:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-30 15:24 ` Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases? Stefan Richter
[not found] ` <32209efe0708300950r5787402l4d02cedd862314fd@mail.gmail.com>
2007-08-30 22:11 ` Al Boldi
2007-09-03 12:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-03 13:20 ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2007-08-30 15:54 ` Who wants to maintain KR list for stable releases? (was Re: nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21) Bill Davidsen
2007-09-03 12:43 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-27 16:26 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 16:44 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-27 16:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-27 17:08 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 18:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-27 8:11 ` David Rees
2007-08-27 11:42 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 14:39 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 15:11 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-08-27 17:54 ` nmi_watchdog=2 regression in 2.6.21 Stephane Eranian
2007-08-27 17:55 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-27 22:55 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-27 23:07 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28 9:12 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-28 14:34 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28 17:05 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-28 18:30 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28 19:46 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-28 20:13 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-29 21:24 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-30 1:21 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-30 21:05 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-31 14:43 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-31 16:21 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-08-31 16:35 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-31 18:06 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-09-01 0:24 ` Daniel Walker
2007-09-01 1:00 ` Björn Steinbrink
2007-09-01 1:36 ` Daniel Walker
2007-09-01 10:19 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-01 19:51 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-09-01 20:32 ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-01 20:46 ` Daniel Walker
2007-09-01 9:12 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-28 20:26 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-28 20:21 ` Stephane Eranian
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