From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
"Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Libo Chen <libo.chen@oracle.com>,
"Madadi Vineeth Reddy" <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
Jianyong Wu <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>, Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 07/28] sched: Add helper function to decide whether to allow cache aware scheduling
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2025 19:31:40 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <89c777b7-33bd-400d-8b6f-4e6d697dc632@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251001131715.GO4067720@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 10/1/2025 9:17 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 09, 2025 at 01:03:10PM +0800, Chen Yu wrote:
>> From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
>>
>> Cache-aware scheduling is designed to aggregate threads into their
>> preferred LLC, either via the task wake up path or the load balancing
>> path. One side effect is that when the preferred LLC is saturated,
>> more threads will continue to be stacked on it, degrading the workload's
>> latency. A strategy is needed to prevent this aggregation from going too
>> far such that the preferred LLC is too overloaded.
>
> So one of the ideas was to extend the preferred llc number to a mask.
> Update the preferred mask with (nr_threads / llc_size) bits, indicating
> the that many top llc as sorted by occupancy.
>
>
Having more than one preferred LLC helps prevent aggregation from going
too far on a single preferred LLC.
One question would be: if one LLC cannot hold all the threads of a process,
does a second preferred LLC help in this use case? Currently, this patch
gives up task aggregation and falls back to legacy load balancing if the
preferred LLC is overloaded. If we place threads across two preferred LLCs,
these threads might encounter cross-LLC latency anyway - so we may as
well let
legacy load balancing spread them out IMO.
Another issue that Patch 7 tries to address is avoiding task
bouncing between preferred LLCs and non-preferred LLCs. If we
introduce a preferred LLC priority list, logic to prevent task
bouncing between different preferred LLCs might be needed in
load balancing, which could become complicated. Currently, we
mainly implement cache-aware scheduling in load balancing rather
than during task wakeup, because the wakeup path conflicts with
the load balance path and causes task migration bouncing.
thanks,
Chenyu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-02 11:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-09 4:57 [RFC PATCH v4 00/28] Cache aware load-balancing Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:00 ` [RFC PATCH v4 01/28] sched: " Chen Yu
2025-08-12 1:30 ` kernel test robot
2025-08-12 3:26 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-08-09 5:01 ` [RFC PATCH v4 02/28] sched: Several fixes for cache aware scheduling Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:01 ` [RFC PATCH v4 03/28] sched: Avoid task migration within its preferred LLC Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:02 ` [RFC PATCH v4 04/28] sched: Avoid calculating the cpumask if the system is overloaded Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:02 ` [RFC PATCH v4 05/28] sched: Add hysteresis to switch a task's preferred LLC Chen Yu
2025-09-29 13:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-30 4:31 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-08-09 5:02 ` [RFC PATCH v4 06/28] sched: Save the per LLC utilization for better cache aware scheduling Chen Yu
2025-09-29 14:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-30 4:34 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-08-09 5:03 ` [RFC PATCH v4 07/28] sched: Add helper function to decide whether to allow " Chen Yu
2025-10-01 13:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-02 11:31 ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2025-10-02 11:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-02 12:51 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-02 17:46 ` Tim Chen
2025-08-09 5:03 ` [RFC PATCH v4 08/28] sched: Set up LLC indexing Chen Yu
2025-09-26 6:14 ` Adam Li
2025-09-26 13:51 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-09-29 10:43 ` Adam Li
2025-09-30 2:54 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-08-09 5:03 ` [RFC PATCH v4 09/28] sched: Introduce task preferred LLC field Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:04 ` [RFC PATCH v4 10/28] sched: Calculate the number of tasks that have LLC preference on a runqueue Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:04 ` [RFC PATCH v4 11/28] sched: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:04 ` [RFC PATCH v4 12/28] sched: Calculate the total number of preferred LLC tasks during load balance Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 13/28] sched: Tag the sched group as llc_balance if it has tasks prefer other LLC Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:05 ` [RFC PATCH v4 14/28] sched: Introduce update_llc_busiest() to deal with groups having preferred LLC tasks Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:06 ` [RFC PATCH v4 15/28] sched: Introduce a new migration_type to track the preferred LLC load balance Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:06 ` [RFC PATCH v4 16/28] sched: Consider LLC locality for active balance Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:06 ` [RFC PATCH v4 17/28] sched: Consider LLC preference when picking tasks from busiest queue Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:07 ` [RFC PATCH v4 18/28] sched: Do not migrate task if it is moving out of its preferred LLC Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:07 ` [RFC PATCH v4 19/28] sched: Introduce SCHED_CACHE_LB to control cache aware load balance Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:07 ` [RFC PATCH v4 20/28] sched: Introduce SCHED_CACHE_WAKE to control LLC aggregation on wake up Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:07 ` [RFC PATCH v4 21/28] sched: Introduce a static key to enable cache aware only for multi LLCs Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:07 ` [RFC PATCH v4 22/28] sched: Turn EPOCH_PERIOD and EPOCH_OLD into tunnable debugfs Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:08 ` [RFC PATCH v4 23/28] sched: Scan a task's preferred node for preferred LLC Chen Yu
2025-08-12 1:59 ` kernel test robot
2025-08-12 3:36 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-08-09 5:08 ` [RFC PATCH v4 24/28] sched: Record average number of runninhg tasks per process Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:08 ` [RFC PATCH v4 25/28] sched: Skip cache aware scheduling if the process has many active threads Chen Yu
2025-09-02 3:52 ` Tingyin Duan
2025-09-02 5:16 ` Tingyin Duan
2025-09-02 6:14 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-09-02 7:56 ` Duan Tingyin
2025-08-09 5:08 ` [RFC PATCH v4 26/28] sched: Do not enable cache aware scheduling for process with large RSS Chen Yu
2025-09-26 8:48 ` Adam Li
2025-09-26 14:30 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-08-09 5:09 ` [RFC PATCH v4 27/28] sched: Allow the user space to tune the scale factor for RSS comparison Chen Yu
2025-08-09 5:09 ` [RFC PATCH v4 28/28] sched: Add ftrace to track cache aware load balance and hottest CPU changes Chen Yu
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=89c777b7-33bd-400d-8b6f-4e6d697dc632@intel.com \
--to=yu.c.chen@intel.com \
--cc=aubrey.li@intel.com \
--cc=bsegall@google.com \
--cc=cyy@cyyself.name \
--cc=dietmar.eggemann@arm.com \
--cc=gautham.shenoy@amd.com \
--cc=hdanton@sina.com \
--cc=jianyong.wu@outlook.com \
--cc=juri.lelli@redhat.com \
--cc=kprateek.nayak@amd.com \
--cc=len.brown@intel.com \
--cc=libo.chen@oracle.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mgorman@suse.de \
--cc=mingo@redhat.com \
--cc=peterz@infradead.org \
--cc=rostedt@goodmis.org \
--cc=sshegde@linux.ibm.com \
--cc=tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com \
--cc=tingyin.duan@gmail.com \
--cc=vernhao@tencent.com \
--cc=vincent.guittot@linaro.org \
--cc=vineethr@linux.ibm.com \
--cc=vschneid@redhat.com \
--cc=yu.chen.surf@gmail.com \
--cc=zhao1.liu@intel.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
all inboxes | Powered by JetHome®