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From: "Dmitry Adamushko" <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>
To: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Vegard Nossum" <vegard.nossum@gmail.com>,
	"Paul Menage" <menage@google.com>,
	"Max Krasnyansky" <maxk@qualcomm.com>,
	"Paul Jackson" <pj@sgi.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	miaox@cn.fujitsu.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Linux Kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: current linux-2.6.git: cpusets completely broken
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:38:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b647ffbd0807141538g2004f245m5f54ec962f475ba5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807121411350.2875@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> [ ... ]
>
> Btw - the way to avoid this whole problem might be to make CPU migration
> use a *different* CPU map than "online".
>
> This patch almost certainly doesn't work, but let me explain:
>
>  - "cpu_online_map" is the CPU's that can be currently be running
>
>   It is enabled/disabled by low-level architecture code when the CPU
>   actually gets disabled.
>
>  - Add a new "cpu_active_map", which is the CPU's that are currently fully
>   set up, and can not just be running tasks, but can be _migrated_ to!
>
>  - We can always just clear the "cpu_active_map" entry when we start a CPU
>   down event - that guarantees that while tasks may be running on it,
>   there won't be any _new_ tasks migrated to it.

(please correct me if I misinterpreted your point)

cpu_clear(cpu, cpu_active_map); _alone_ does not guarantee that after
its completion, no new tasks can appear on (be migrated to) 'cpu'.

cpu_clear() may race against migration operations which are already in
progress on other CPUs : executing right after a check for
!cpu_active(cpu) and before doing actual migration [*]

Am I missing something?

[  If no, then what I dare to say below is that: (a) with only
cpu_clear(cpu, cpu_active_map) in cpu_down(), "cpu_active_map" is
perhaps not much better than (alternatively) using existing
"cpu_online_map" to check if a task can be migrated to 'cpu' _and_ (b)
there are also a few (rough) speculations on how to fix [*] ]

New tasks may appear on (soon-to-be-dead) 'cpu' at any point until
_cpu_down() calls

__stop_machine_run() -> [ next is called by 'kstopmachine' ] do_stop()
-> stop_machine()

stop_machine() starts a RT high-prio thread on each online cpu and
waits until these threads get scheduled in (take control of cpus).
That guarantees a re-schedule on each CPU has taken place.
In turn, it means none of the CPUs are in the middle of task-migration
operation [**] and further task-migration operations can not race
against cpu_down() -> cpu_clear() (in a sense, stop_machine() is a
synchronization point).

[**] migration operations are done with rq->lock being held.

OTOH, cpu_clear(cpu, cpu_online_map) takes place right after
stop_machine() : do_stop() -> take_cpu_down() (via smdata->fn()) ->
__cpu_disable().

Let's imagine we update all places in the scheduler where
task-migration may take place with a check for either
(a) !cpu_active(cpu) _or_ (b) cpu_offline(cpu) :

then for both cases new tasks may apear on 'cpu' for which cpu_down()
is in progress and for both cases - until __stop_machine_run() -> ...
-> stop_machine() gets called.

Hm?

In any case, the scheduler does not depend on sched-domains to do
migration and migration to offline cpus is not possible (although,
it's possible to soon-to-be-offline cpus), but OTOH we depend on
internals of __stop_machine_run() [ it acts as a sync. point ].

To solve both, we might introduce a special synchronization point
right after cpu_clear(cpu, cpu_active_map) gets called in cpu_down().

[ simplest (probably stupid) approaches ]

(a)

per-cpu rw_lock, readers' part is taken by task-migration code,
writer's part is in cpu_down():

rw_write_lock(per_cpu(migration_lock, cpu)); cpu_clear(cpu,
cpu_active_map); rw_write_unlock(...);

(b)

add rq->migration counter (per-cpu)

inc(rq->migration);
if (cpu_active(dst_cpu))
        do_migration(dst_cpu);
dec(rq->migration);

cpu_active_sync(cpu)
{
for_each_online_cpu:
   while (rq->migration) { cpu_relax(); }
}

(c)

per-cpu "migration_counter" so per_cpu(migration_counter, dst_cpu)
gets +1 while a migration operation _to_ this cpu is in progress and
then

cpu_active_sync(to_be_offline_cpu)
{
   while (per_cpu(migration_counter, to_be_offline_cpu) != 0) { cpu_relax(); }
}


-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Adamushko

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-14 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-11 19:07 Vegard Nossum
2008-07-11 19:36 ` Paul Menage
2008-07-11 19:43   ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-11 20:07     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-11 23:03     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-11 23:19       ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-11 23:53         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12  3:17       ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-12  3:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 10:00           ` Miao Xie
2008-07-12 11:05             ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 19:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 10:04           ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 19:19             ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-12 20:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 21:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 22:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 22:43                   ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-12 23:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 23:00                   ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-12 23:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 23:19                       ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 23:25                         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 23:05                     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 23:17                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13  9:53                         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13 17:10                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13 17:42                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-13 17:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13 18:13                               ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13 18:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-13 18:38                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13 18:20                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 23:25                       ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-13 15:29                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-14 15:49                   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-14 22:38                 ` Dmitry Adamushko [this message]
2008-07-14 23:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  0:00                     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-15  0:23                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  2:21                         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-15  3:03                           ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-15  4:12                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  8:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15  8:42                                 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-15  8:57                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15  9:12                                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-16  6:35                                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-16  7:10                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-16 17:01                                         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-15  3:23                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-15  3:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  3:47                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-15  4:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  4:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-12 10:45 Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 11:14 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13  0:10   ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13  8:50     ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-13  9:41       ` Ingo Molnar

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