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From: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>
To: "J . A . Magallon" <jamagallon@able.es>
Cc: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>,
	"'linux-scsi @ vger . kernel . org'" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'linux-kernel @ vger . kernel . org'"
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux not adhering to BIOS Drive boot order?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:42:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010116194210.C1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1355693A51C0D211B55A00105ACCFE64E95191@ATL_MS1> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101161154580.17397-100000@sol.compendium-tech.com> <20010116153757.A1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <20010117003205.A711@werewolf.able.es>
In-Reply-To: <20010117003205.A711@werewolf.able.es>; from jamagallon@able.es on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:32:05AM +0100

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:32:05AM +0100, J . A . Magallon wrote:
> If that is your idea of the average user... You're a system administrator, 
> you can have tons of scsi cards in your system if you want.
> 
> You want to make things SOOO easy for a 'dummy' user, and that user will never 
> use them. The average user you are targetting says: 'daddy, buy me a PC to
> run Quake and do my school jobs' or 'please, dear vendor, I want a PC to
> do my housekeeping'. I have seen so many cases (A buys PC, A tries to run
> brand new racing game that does not work, A goes shop and says: don't know
> what's wrong with this PC, look at it and call me when MyCarRacingGame 
> works...).

I also don't want things so complex for the people who need to do complex
things, that they give up in frustration with Linux and use something else like
*BSD, particularly when things are changed from the previous way they were done
in Linux.  I agree things should be simple for simple configurations, but that
does not mean we should be throwing boat anchors and couches in the paths of
people who have more complex hardware.

> Average users you are targetting with that automagical
> card detection even do not know there are SCSI and IDE disks. They just
> want a 30Gb ide disk to install linux and play. If they involve with SCSI
> and ID numbers and multiple cards and so on they can read some docs and
> rebuild a kernel.

Ummm, I just reread the 2.4 Changes file once again just to be sure, and it did
not cover this issue.  So how the *$@% are people supposed to "read some docs"
to know about this, if the docs don't mention the information.  I know people
have been complaining about this change since at least the fall time frame.

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-17  0:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-16 16:43 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:01 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 20:37   ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 21:01     ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-16 21:23       ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 23:32     ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-17  0:05       ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17  0:42       ` Michael Meissner [this message]
2001-01-17  2:14         ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-17 17:22           ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-17 18:41         ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-01-17  9:45       ` Ishikawa
2001-01-17 15:45         ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-16 23:51     ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17 19:22   ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:32     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-17 20:46       ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 21:26     ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-18 16:55 David Balazic
2001-01-18 19:49 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 16:36 Andries.Brouwer
2001-01-18 11:01 David Balazic
2001-01-18 11:35 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 13:01   ` Xavier Bestel
2001-01-18 14:03     ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-17 11:04 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:56 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:48 David Balazic
2001-01-17 23:23 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18 10:14   ` David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:21 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:28 ` Boszormenyi Zoltan
2001-01-16 22:54 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:14 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:30 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 21:18   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 15:33   ` Mike Porter
2001-01-17 16:16     ` James Bottomley
2001-01-17 17:07       ` Craig Ruff
2001-01-18 12:50       ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 17:59         ` idalton
2001-01-18 18:14           ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 20:53           ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-18 22:55             ` David Weinehall
2001-01-16 17:39 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:58 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 21:11   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17  9:38     ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-17  9:55       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-01-17 10:19         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 10:02       ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-19  1:17         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-17 10:12       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 23:19         ` Russell King
2001-01-17 19:50 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:43   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18  0:14     ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18  0:39       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18  0:59         ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18  9:41         ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-16 17:30 Bryan Henderson
2001-01-16 17:04 David Balazic
     [not found] <Venkateshr@ami.com>
2001-01-16 16:56 ` Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 19:52   ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:51 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:09 ` Honza Pazdziora
2001-01-16 16:46 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:04 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 17:24   ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 18:22   ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 19:18     ` Matthew D. Pitts
2001-01-16 19:54     ` Christopher Friesen
2001-01-16 21:04     ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 22:51 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-16 16:31 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:53 ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 19:48 ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:19 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:23 ` Florent Cueto
2001-01-16 16:31 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-16 15:49 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:06 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 16:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Matthias Andree
2001-01-16 16:45 ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-01-16 17:38 ` Malahal Rao Naineni

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