From: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>
To: Peter Samuelson <peter@cadcamlab.org>
Cc: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux not adhering to BIOS Drive boot order?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:22:34 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010117122234.A3480@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1355693A51C0D211B55A00105ACCFE64E95191@ATL_MS1> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101161154580.17397-100000@sol.compendium-tech.com> <20010116153757.A1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <20010117003205.A711@werewolf.able.es> <20010116194210.C1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <20010116201401.C6364@cadcamlab.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010116201401.C6364@cadcamlab.org>; from peter@cadcamlab.org on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:14:01PM -0600
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:14:01PM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Michael Meissner]
> > Ummm, I just reread the 2.4 Changes file once again just to be sure,
> > and it did not cover this issue. So how the *$@% are people supposed
> > to "read some docs" to know about this, if the docs don't mention the
> > information. I know people have been complaining about this change
> > since at least the fall time frame.
>
> SCSI host probe order has never been guaranteed, afaik -- this is not
> new to 2.4. If you have multiple host adapters, you really need to use
> the command line to say which is which, as always. If you don't, you
> will be bitten eventually.
>
> "Eventually" in this case meant 2.2->2.4, perhaps, but that doesn't
> make it an item for Documentation/Changes. Or is this not what you
> were talking about?
What I'm talking about is that whenever you have these flag day(*) type of
operations, is weakens the whole Linux movement. Yes, each individual change
might mean a few minutes to half an hour of a persons time, but cumulatively it
just sends the signal that Linux is just a hackers toy. If people can't easily
switch between kernels for instance due to the wrong disk being listed as the
boot disk, or they have to replug which ethernet controller gets which cord, it
will mean fewer people testing new kernels for instance.
* http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/flag-day.html
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Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-01-16 16:43 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:01 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 20:37 ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 21:01 ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-16 21:23 ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-16 23:32 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-17 0:05 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17 0:42 ` Michael Meissner
2001-01-17 2:14 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-17 17:22 ` Michael Meissner [this message]
2001-01-17 18:41 ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-01-17 9:45 ` Ishikawa
2001-01-17 15:45 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-01-16 23:51 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-17 19:22 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:32 ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-17 20:46 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 21:26 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-18 16:55 David Balazic
2001-01-18 19:49 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 16:36 Andries.Brouwer
2001-01-18 11:01 David Balazic
2001-01-18 11:35 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 13:01 ` Xavier Bestel
2001-01-18 14:03 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-17 11:04 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:56 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:48 David Balazic
2001-01-17 23:23 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18 10:14 ` David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:21 David Balazic
2001-01-17 10:28 ` Boszormenyi Zoltan
2001-01-16 22:54 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:14 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 20:30 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-01-16 21:18 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 15:33 ` Mike Porter
2001-01-17 16:16 ` James Bottomley
2001-01-17 17:07 ` Craig Ruff
2001-01-18 12:50 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 17:59 ` idalton
2001-01-18 18:14 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-18 20:53 ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-18 22:55 ` David Weinehall
2001-01-16 17:39 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:58 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 21:11 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 9:38 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-17 9:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-01-17 10:19 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 10:02 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-19 1:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-17 10:12 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-17 23:19 ` Russell King
2001-01-17 19:50 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-17 20:43 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18 0:14 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 0:39 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-01-18 0:59 ` Tim Fletcher
2001-01-18 9:41 ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-16 17:30 Bryan Henderson
2001-01-16 17:04 David Balazic
[not found] <Venkateshr@ami.com>
2001-01-16 16:56 ` Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 19:52 ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:51 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:09 ` Honza Pazdziora
2001-01-16 16:46 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:35 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 17:04 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 17:24 ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 18:22 ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 19:18 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2001-01-16 19:54 ` Christopher Friesen
2001-01-16 21:04 ` Timur Tabi
2001-01-16 22:51 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-01-16 16:31 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:53 ` Eddie Williams
2001-01-16 19:48 ` John Summerfield
2001-01-16 16:19 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:23 ` Florent Cueto
2001-01-16 16:31 ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-16 15:49 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-01-16 16:06 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-16 16:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-01-16 16:40 ` Matthias Andree
2001-01-16 16:45 ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-01-16 17:38 ` Malahal Rao Naineni
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