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From: David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Trent Waddington <trent.waddington@gmail.com>,
	Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at>,
	Erik Mouw <erik@harddisk-recovery.com>,
	Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@hotpop.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:06:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070102050608.GQ19442@vasa.acc.umu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200701020404.l0244n3b024582@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 11:04:49PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:03:27 +1000, Trent Waddington said:
> > Why don't you release source?  To protect the intellectual property.
> > Well, duh!  That's why everyone holds back source.  So allow me to
> > translate..
> > 
> > Why don't you release source?  Because we don't believe in freedom, we
> > don't "get it" and we don't want you to have it.
> 
> There's believing in freedom, and there's wanting to be able to ship code
> without getting sued...
> 
> The binary blob in question is several megabytes in size.  Now, even
> totally *ignoring* who knowingly licensed/stole/whatever IP from who,
> that *still* leaves the problem of trying to write several megabytes of
> code that doesn't infringe on anybody's IP - particularly some of those
> vague submarine patents that should have been killed on "prior art" or
> "obviousness" grounds.

You know, not releasing source code doesn't  make "IP" violations
magically disappear, so if anything you should be more suspicious about
closed source drivers infringing others patents than anything.

> So tell me - how *do* you release that much code without worrying about IP
> issues?

If you have to worry about "IP", you're screwed no matter if you release
source or not.  The only problem is that it might be trickier for the
other party to prove.  The only case where a closed source driver makes
some kind of sense from an "IP" point of view is when you're trying to
protect your own code (or code you have licensed).

> Remember - somebody *can* "get it" but be unable to actually *deploy*.
> I *get* the whole global warming thing - but I'm not in a position to buy
> a hybrid car unless somebody else kicks in US$15K or $20K or so.

Well, you can always make a contribution by using public transportation
or switching to low energy light bulbs.  Every little thing counts =)


Regards: David
-- 
 /) David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se> /) Northern lights wander      (\
//  Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel   //  Dance across the winter sky //
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-02  5:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-15 21:20 Binary Drivers James Porter
2006-12-15 21:59 ` Alan
2006-12-15 22:00   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:31   ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-12-15 22:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-16  1:57   ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-16 18:03     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 16:33       ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 17:43         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-21 19:10           ` Tomas Carnecky
     [not found]             ` <f0e2c5070612211120wa6e3402p2ffb6e1d579a485a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-21 19:42               ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-21 22:36                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-21 20:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 20:18         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 22:02           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 20:50         ` David Schwartz
2006-12-21 20:58           ` David Lang
2006-12-21 21:20           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-21 22:12           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 23:20             ` Martin Mares
2006-12-22  0:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22  9:47           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-23  1:04           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-16  3:56   ` jdow
2006-12-16  4:59     ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-16  8:12     ` Horses and donkeys [Re: Binary Drivers] Pavel Machek
2006-12-16 18:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-17 11:44   ` Binary Drivers Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-16  8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-16  9:07 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-17 12:17   ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-12-18 21:34   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Hannu Savolainen
2006-12-19  0:10     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 22:06     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-12-21  0:38       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-12-21 10:17         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-21 18:16       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 11:59         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-24  6:35           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-31 12:41           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-31 13:03             ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-31 17:09               ` Alan
2007-01-02  2:42                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  4:04               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  5:06                 ` David Weinehall [this message]
2007-01-02  6:30                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02  9:40                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 11:26                     ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02 12:06                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 19:23                         ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-03  8:59                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 12:50                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-02 13:22                         ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-01-02 15:15                           ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 15:18                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-02 16:33                               ` James Simmons
2007-01-02 17:13                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 20:20                               ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 19:30                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-01-02 20:01                               ` OT Coffee (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 20:17                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-02 23:01                                   ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03  5:55                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-04  0:50                                       ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 21:11                             ` Neil Brown
2007-01-02 22:26                               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-02 19:04                           ` [OT] Hot coffee (was: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)) Steven Rostedt
2007-01-02 10:40                   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Alan
2006-12-18  9:51 ` Binary Drivers Bernd Petrovitsch
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2007-01-02 18:44                     ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Bodo Eggert
2007-01-02 20:14                       ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 20:14                       ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 23:52                         ` Brian Beattie
2007-01-03  0:43                           ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03  5:43                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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